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@TheFootyDynamic

Sharing my views on the game. FC Barcelona fan since 2006. Debunk Myths and Analyse Players

Katılım Ekim 2024
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@mangoes2024 @thedoctor00_ 1. I disagree. Only Messi is anywhere near comparable to CR in terms of scoring (modern era) 2. I think the era tax is huge. Pele played in the 424 era. The most attacking era in football history. Gerd Muller played in a superteam vs bums. 3. I'm not opposed to saying Messi >
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Trebor Coleman@mangoes2024·
@TheFootyDynamic @thedoctor00_ 1- His scoring hasn’t been impressive even for his teams standards. 2- Era tax can be applied but not too harshly, I don’t think 4-2-4 was commonly used in the 70’s either for muller. Regardless though Messi beats him in majority of scoring stats too despite the creative role.
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@DegurechaffSama Oh you mean position wise.... It doesn't really mean much either way. His competition was a washed Figo and CM Beckham. He wasn't the best winger (Ronaldinho) itw. Neither was he the best midfielder itw (probably Gerrard/Pirlo)
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@thedoctor00_ Exactly. And it's not a minor era tax. It's European tax. Messi and CR are close, I agree. I'm not mad if someone puts Messi ahead. I have Messi 2nd or 3rd behind CR and maybe Pele, undecided on this part.
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The Doctor | Thank you Miura
The Doctor | Thank you Miura@thedoctor00_·
@TheFootyDynamic Pele, Gerd and Puskas are clearly better scorers but you can use era tax on them. Messi and CR7 is close obviously but he has a lot of things over cr7 goalscoring wise
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@andriii110 @thedoctor00_ Let's take his better CL seasons 06/07 - fairs, both were ass 07/08 - pen on Messi not called 12/13 - Messi was injured. 13/14 - fairs 15/16 - Ramos pen in semis not given 16/17 - Bayern 17/18 - let's not. Nothing else is clearly, if at all better
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andrew@andriii110·
@TheFootyDynamic @thedoctor00_ messi has higher peaks and similar level lows no… he wasn’t actually performing that much better than messi in szns orher than 16-17 so
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@mangoes2024 @thedoctor00_ 1. Intl scoring - agreed, but Pele and Gerd played for literal superteams. For all of CR's criticisms, scoring in superteams is not one of them 2. Career ratio - they played in the 424 era and/or vs far weaker competition. It's not a fair comparison. 3. Same thing.
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Trebor Coleman@mangoes2024·
@TheFootyDynamic @thedoctor00_ How does he have the strongest case? His international scoring is significantly weaker than muller and pele’s, overall career ratio is worse than theirs and muller also averaged a goal per game in the european cup too
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@andriii110 @thedoctor00_ Messi clear in BCCs and CL peaks but Ronaldo has consistently scored more. Have to give it to him. But again, a lot of Ronaldo's campaigns should've ended WAYYYY sooner. The entire 3 peat is fraudulent. So.
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@thedoctor00_ He has the strongest case for me. But I'm not mad if someone else is picked. I have him, Messi, Pele and Gerd in tier 1. As long as someone has one of these 4 as their goat scorer, I am good.
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
Lamine Yamal was not born? Huh? He's going to be 19 soon
Aditya Sharma@Aditya_Sharma18

The craziest Cristiano Ronaldo statistic isn't his goals. It's his longevity. When Ronaldo won his first Ballon d'Or in 2008: Lamine Yamal was not born Jude Bellingham was 5 years old Endrick was not born TikTok didn't exist Today, Ronaldo is still scoring goals at the highest level. Most players compete against rivals. Cristiano has competed against generations. 🐐 #CristianoRonaldo #CR7 #Football #GOAT #FootballTwitter

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four444@xavierbaseado·
@TheFootyDynamic @AarnavVerm96079 Maradona é um lixo superestimado, eu questiono o seu status de GOAT, filho da puta tem gol de mão, nos clubes não ganhou quase nada, uma farsa total, é adicionando uma pergunta, você não acha que cristiano ronaldo não é o goat? Lembre-se fora messi nenhum jogador jogou mais.
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
By... What logic? To be a goat tier player you either need goat tier output or pass the "goat tier eye test" (couldn't frame it in a better way) Messi AT LEAST passes the eye test (and output in most cases). What about Ronaldo?
ITALJUVE@AarnavVerm96079

By that logic, Messi is a flop in the CL, World Cup and Copa America. What's even left for the guy, considering the Negreira scandal efficiently wipes out his La Liga legacy too? Copa del Rey GOAT? These people are so dishonest and shameless.

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ITALJUVE@AarnavVerm96079·
@TheFootyDynamic I do not rate Zidane anywhere around my top 20. Maradona and Cruyff are higher but still nowhere as high as the masses and casuals rank them. They're massively overrated. The standard criteria which you say has been used since ages, isn't 100% foolproof or correct.
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Chinonso@D_Enigma07·
@Kims177 @TheFootyDynamic Not how that works lmao. Both the eye test and the output are supposed to work in tandem to make your case. 03 Cr7 was great at eye test but not GOAT tier and was weak in output, 17 CR7 was goat tier in output in big games but weak in the eye test.
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@Sdoz4 I'm not talking about goat level peak. I'm talking about a sustained goat level performance. Ronaldo only has that in La Liga.
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
Ronaldo performed at a "GOAT level" in which 2 leagues? The Prem, where over a 8 year span, he has 0.4 npg per game? He won the title 3 times, 2 times ONLY as the league's best player. Or Serie A, where in 3 years, he has 0.5 npg per game? He won Serie A POTY ONCE.
Ahmad - 121 Football@AJ121_football

For those ridiculing my claim below: Maybe I'm ignorant about the history of the game, enlighten me and bring me one other player who performed at GOAT-tier level in two top leagues and at least an elite/world-class level at a third (What he's done at Saudi - especially this season - is just a nice bonus). Then we can get into details like: - The 16-year consistency (Europe only). - Him being his team's top scorer in every full season he played since 06/07. - The 30-goal league seasons everywhere he went (6 in Spain, 1 in each of the PL, Serie A, and SPL). - The three 40-goal seasons. - The "Output vs conditions" details. Etcetera etcetera.

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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@AarnavVerm96079 Nope, such a player doesn't exist. But no other player has so many excuses made for them either. Or gets suggested that "he can carry 10 logs of wood to the UCL"
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ITALJUVE@AarnavVerm96079·
@TheFootyDynamic Which player, no matter how good the goalscorer, do you know that has no flaws and has performed EVERY SINGLE TIME (no misses, all hits)? I wait.
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
@AarnavVerm96079 Well then why doesn't he score in the WC KOs and why doesn't he score vs teams stronger than 2004 Netherlands and 2016 Wales in the Euros? Goals are the most important thing no? He should be able to get them
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ITALJUVE@AarnavVerm96079·
@TheFootyDynamic Because goals are the most important thing around which the sport revolves around? What this ignorance?
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ITALJUVE@AarnavVerm96079·
@TheFootyDynamic Messi fails the eye test in my eyes. Way too boring and robotic, mastered the art of looking busy on the field. Cristiano minds his business, does his job and doesn't hijack the midfield by forcing himself there when the going uptop goes tough. What next?
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The Footy Dynamic@TheFootyDynamic·
"logically" Proceeds to say something that wasn't true for a 100 years prior. Because if it were true - Gerd Muller or Romario would be world player of the century, not Maradona.
ITALJUVE@AarnavVerm96079

The way you phrase it, it seems you can do EITHER OF THE 2, and be rated as a great player. When logically, output has to be always the primary criteria and "eye-test" aesthetics BS is completely optional and can even be ignored. Obviously I do not expect you to think logically

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