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@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Not verbatim, but people who say something like "you're choosing to let people die", "you're essentially pulling the trigger", "you choose to secure your saftey than to save people", are arguing that the person's vote makes a difference whether they realize it or not.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky I've never seen anyone argue that your actual singular vote is what makes a difference in a literal sense, and not it be a "blue needs as many votes as it can get to pass the far easier 50% to actually save everyone".

It’s only the blue button pushers who present this level of cope and seethe

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@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky It's one of selflessness through self-preservation. Again, Oxygen Mask principle. The point of me bringing up someone ending their own life was to prove that, with the right intentions, it can be selfless. With the wrong intentions, it can be selfish. Intentions matters.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky But the intent behind the decision isn't one of selflessness, it's one of self-preservation. Your example of self sacrifice being selfless is an example of blue thought process, though death via blue isn't guaranteed.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky I already explained that your vote does not save any blue. That's the biggest lie most blue voters have said, that they (specifically the individual) has made a difference.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Sure, but you also keep arguing that it isn't selfish. Red is logical for making sure you stay alive, but blue is literally the "everyone lives" option. But if you really want to continue the "I'll help people after" route, think about the consequences of eliminating 30-49% pop.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky "...then it becomes *selfless*". Little error.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Don't mind the screenshot, I just had too much to say.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Did not say that a logical choice is a selfless one. My point was that if you want to save people, then picking red would be the logical choice for that mindset.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky It's still a factor in the decision-making process, regardless of individual impact. Logical does not mean it cannot be selfish. I'm not arguing that it's an illogical choice, or even the "wrong" one.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky But that was always my point that it's not inherently selfish for this individual to vote red.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky I didn't mean that as in you specifically, individually, save all of blue. That's directed at red in a more general sense.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky ...the fact that your vote doesn't in the final tally, so it is logical to save yourself if you truly want to help people.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky But it's not a factor to this hypothetical individual. Like I said, no matter what this individual does, they will not save any of the blues because a perfect 50-50 (Besides you) is a statistical impossiblity. And no, it does not stem from red always winning, it stems from...

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky The only possible way that your vote could be the one to save the blues is if everyone, excluding you, ends up in a perfect 50/50, which is statistically impossiblity to such insane degrees that you would have a stroke trying to figure just how low it is.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky It absolutely does. If you remove the factor of the blue live lost, then all you're doing is just saving your life to potentially save others, which is identical to the Oxygen Mask principle that you said isn't selfish. Also, it's an absolutely valid assumption.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky You're still ignoring a key factor in my argument. Your individual vote does not have any effects on the overall tally. So, you voting red is not inherently "disregarding blue lives" considering that you were never capable of saving them. You can save reds but not if you're dead.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Sorry, it got too long.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Define "putting your own wellbeing over others" because that could easily be interpreted as the Oxygen Mask principle. But you seem to be saying it's something else.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Trying to rationalize the choice doesn't somehow make it not a selfish one. At the end of the day, it is still putting your own wellbeing before others. But like I said! It's okay to be selfish sometimes.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky That's the thing, though, your vote doesn't change anything. Your vote accounts for less than 0.0000000125%, so no matter what you pick, it will not matter. So, you're not putting your wellbeing above others. You're just valuing your wellbeing.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Adding stuff like "I'll do good by others / live only for good after" does not change the selfishness of putting your own wellbeing above the wellbeing of others for the initial decision. It's okay to be selfish at times.

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky My second and third sentences addressed that.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky You missed the "or exclusively" bit, which is what applies in this context. Voting red exclusively concerns your own wellbeing, and for that reason is "selfish".

@Dlee1776 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky I definitely agree that the “If everyone presses red, everyone survives” argument is pretty dumb but my reasoning stems from how insignificant your individual vote is.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky It’s not necessarily selfish, just naive. “If everyone presses red, everyone survives” assumes that every single person on earth has only their own survival in mind and not the survival of the most possible people.

@mrlolerz1004 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky This mentality is definitely a shared mindset, but it's not a hivemind. No matter what you do, say, think, or do, your choice does not have an effect on others. Your individual vote makes up for less than 0.0000000125%, so I think it's fair to not want to risk your life for that.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Your vote always matters even if by a minor percent, because your thought process is likely shared by multiple others. It's just up to you which thought process to follow; the one that both protects yourself AND makes it harder for others to protect themselves, or Blue

@GandorsGames @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky The issue with this is that "excessively" is very subjective, which makes it unreliable by itself. Not only that, but saving yourself doesn't only benefit you as you could be doing right by others. Every moment you live could be a moment for good.

@Thorough481634 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky Red is selfish because it only saves yourself. Selfish doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong for you to choose it.

@mrlolerz1004 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky ...as you are in 8 billion, so the two choices come down to this. Blue: Risk your life Red: Don't risk your life I don't think it's selfish to want to live, like how it's not selfish to go on a healthy diet.

@mrlolerz1004 @snkewrld @YeaItsMeMilky I would disagree with that. You could call this pedantic, but it would seem that most definitions agree on the idea that selfishness is when one cares about their needs/interests at the cost of others with little to no regard. In this case, your individual vote doesn't matter...