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@TowMemo

ブログ「さいごのかぎ」のオーナー。 フィクションを見て、思いついたことをネット上に出力中。 最近ではTYPE-MOON関連を扱っています。 以前は「うみねこのなく頃に」の推理をしていました。 たとえアンチ目的であったとしてもいいねRTは常に歓迎。

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Townmemory@TowMemo·
(リポスト歓迎) FGO:第二部終章エンディング読解(あれは何なの?) ふせったーへの投稿が好評だったため、ブログに再録し、大幅に増補しました。 第二部終章エンディングは何の表現で何が起こっているのか、ぐだマシュはどうしてあの状況になったかについて。 penultimatekey.hatenablog.com/entry/2026/01/… #FGO #型月
Townmemory@TowMemo

初めてふせったー使う。エンディングの大半で映し出される映像はあれは○○○○のビジュアル表現だという理解で、そこに○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○○という意味に見えました。で、(続きはURLから) #FGO fse.tw/TSzkgXAA

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Townmemory@TowMemo·
いま、鉄腕アトムの原型となった『アトム大使』を初めて読んでいるのですが、凄すぎて顎が落下した。ギミックもテーマも全部すごい。
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Thank you so much. Your perspective is far more nuanced than mine — I learned a great deal from this. I wasn't familiar with the term "animation age ghetto." Of the examples you mentioned, I've only seen a small portion of Fleischer's work. I think what you're saying is this: when an art critic says anime is not art, they likely have only the animation age ghetto in mind, with Fleischer nowhere in their field of vision — and therefore, the example of the art critic I cited cannot be used to make sweeping statements about the West as a whole. I think you're closer to the truth than I am. That said, I also think this: whether a given medium — anime, games, whatever — qualifies as art depends on whether works capable of being art have emerged from it. As more works accumulate over time, the probability and number of such works naturally increases. So it stands to reason that we, living at this most recent point in time, are able to perceive art in a wider range of places — and that gamers seeing games as art is entirely justified. This was within my line of thinking, even if I failed to express it. Since the claim that games are art is a modern one, and the art critic example I cited was probably from the 1980s, I felt I was expressing this naturally — or so I thought. And then, just as I finished writing all of this, I saw your new comment about Shakespeare. Yes — exactly. That's precisely what I had in mind.
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@TowMemo Oh, one more thing! Right now threatre is considered "high art" and nobody argues that Shakespeare's plays are foundational to the modern English language, but during his time it was considered a low-brow form of entertainment. These categories aren't set in stone.
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Townmemory@TowMemo·
This might be a simple misunderstanding. '芸術/アート' in Japanese is narrower than 'art' in English — it excludes pop culture. Anime and manga fall under 'pop culture' rather than '芸術.' So in Japan too, games would be considered part of what 'art' encompasses in English.
banteg@banteg

maybe it's lost in translation, but another shocker besides japanese people not thinking games are worth preserving, is that they don't consider games or form of art

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You may have already seen this, but I had an interesting exchange about this topic. I'll translate it below. * This is a valuable observation. When Westerners say "we consider games to be art," they may actually be describing a self-image they wish were true, rather than a reality. I'm reminded of an anecdote. A Japanese critic named Okada Toshio once asked a French art specialist — if I recall correctly — "How do you evaluate anime and manga as art?" The response was a cold: "Those are not art." That may well represent the West's original, deeper position on the matter. That said, I do think Western gamers genuinely want to see games recognized as art. But perhaps there's an interference between that personal desire and a more deeply ingrained Western sensibility — one that was there long before the individual formed their own views. The result is a kind of wavering: wanting to treat games as art, but sometimes being unable to do so. Something like that, perhaps. x.com/TowMemo/status…
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A. Nethell?@aspiringWatcher·
@TowMemo I have to note that the West does debate whether video games are art, and the consensus in the gamer circles is that games can be art but it's often a case-by-case assessment about whether the game has something to say by itself. Furthermore, they're usually considered "low" art
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The idea that Japanese people don't think games are worth preserving is either misinformed or a cultural misunderstanding. I can't speak for other countries, but in Japan, copyright law gives rights holders unilateral control over when, how, and to what extent their works are made available. Given that, it's clear that the right to preserve a work belongs to the rights holder — and Japanese people respect that. This is because in Japan, the rights holder and the creator are very often one and the same, which means respecting the rights holder is respecting the creator. I know what's coming if I write this: "fuck the law," "art has the right to transgress," "you're just a tamed sheep." But that's simply how the system is structured in Japan. With that said, NPOs, university organizations, and incorporated associations in Japan are currently working to make legal preservation of games possible by non-rights-holding organizations. There are even Diet members actively pushing for this — one of whom was elected with the backing of Japanese gamers. In Japan, the prevailing view is that game preservation should be made possible through proper legal channels. It's only when this is overlooked, deliberately dismissed, or viewed through some strange bias that the puzzling conclusion emerges that Japanese people don't think games are worth preserving.
banteg@banteg

maybe it's lost in translation, but another shocker besides japanese people not thinking games are worth preserving, is that they don't consider games or form of art

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Townmemory@TowMemo·
@fukami_naruhide 恐縮です! 日本人でございます!😆 英文はAIが担当しております!
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深見成秀@fukami_naruhide·
@TowMemo こんにちは、日本語で話す事をお許しください。日本の文化、慣習、法律に大変な理解を示してくださり感謝します。また現在日本がすれ違いを起こしている人達が、それらの本国でも迷惑をかけていることが解りました。貴方のような人ばかりなら良いのですが、私はとても疲弊しました。
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Townmemory@TowMemo·
I read it. I couldn't solve it in Japanese either, so English would be even more hopeless for me. Funny enough, I once chatted on a forum with the first person in Japan to solve the epitaph. He was able to crack it because he was studying abroad at a university in Taiwan at the time.
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Townmemory@TowMemo·
アメリカニキは対等に話してくれる感じがしてうれしいね、と英語で書いてる人がいたから、おまえどこニキよ、と思ったら、日本ニキか日本ネキだった。ややこしいナリー。
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@Act_1__ 大変恐縮ですが、文字を読んでいただけますと幸いです。
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Act-1@Act_1__·
@TowMemo ゲームもアニメも漫画も保存されているよ 全て国が国立図書館に保存している 問題はネットゲームのデータなんだ、まだ法律が追いついていない もう一つの問題が日本のユーザーが国が自動的に保存している事すら知らずにオタクは文化だと主張することだよ どうやったら保存できるか議論しなよ
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gRRi.@firewalkwithG·
@TowMemo 近いうちに、この件についてもっと詳しく話せるかもしれない。
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Townmemory@TowMemo·
@banteg Could I ask you to reconsider the idea that Japanese people don't think games are worth preserving?
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banteg@banteg·
@TowMemo this is certainly different from the west where the rights are often with the publisher and after a while even the original creators have trouble bringing their own work back because the new right holders management has other priorities or simply doesn’t care about.
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Townmemory@TowMemo·
@Ultrakyriel According to IFUKUBE Akira, Godzilla is a vengeful god of the Jomon people, or so I've heard him say...
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Townmemory@TowMemo·
@firewalkwithG おはようございます! 「テオドール・W・アドルノ」と「マックス・ホルクハイマー」の概念のことが、一切わかりませんが、私、気になります! 眠気がさめて時間ができたら、何か教えてください!
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gRRi.@firewalkwithG·
@TowMemo でも、今、ちょっと哲学的かつ社会的な話になりすぎているかもしれない。私は考えすぎるタイプだし、ここはまだ朝の7時だし……www
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これは貴重な証言です。西洋人が「我々はゲームを芸術と見なす」と言うとき、実際には「そのように見なせていたらいいなという自画像」を語っているという説ですね。 実はちょっと思い当たるふしがあります。岡田斗司夫という評論家が、たぶんフランスの美術専門家に「アニメやマンガをアートとしてどのように評価しますか」と尋ねたところ、「あれらはアートではありません」と冷たく言われたという逸話があります。たぶん西洋の本来の思想はこれでしょう。 とはいえ、まあ、西洋のゲーマーたちが、「ゲームを芸術だと見なしたい」という願いを持っているのは本当だと思います。あらかじめ深くインストールされている西洋本来の思想と、個人の願望とが、干渉しあってふらついているので、芸術だと見なしたくてもそう扱えない時がある、とか、そんな感じかなって思いました。そんな感じでしょうか。
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gRRi.@firewalkwithG·
@TowMemo これは複雑な議論です。なぜなら、西洋人は日本人よりもゲームを芸術として捉えていると言われてはいるものの、実際にはそれを芸術として批判的に扱ってはいないからです。
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Townmemory@TowMemo·
@allgrab プロフィール画像を醤油のボトルに変えときます!🫡
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@TowMemo こちらこそごめんなさいw おお!外国のうみねこファンなんて珍しい人だ!なんて思ってたけど、そもそもプロフ日本語じゃんて自分にツッコミたいですw
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Once you get that the Japanese attitude toward the spiritual is basically "show respect to what's beyond, to the other world" — Shinto, yokai, kaiju, isekai, it all clicks into place.
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