Ultra Red Fox

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Bukharin was so cute

@BodyWoOrgans Well everyone else including me means the second one. Keep that in mind when you want to debate the subject.

@UltraFox_1 the self-determination of a nation can be achieved either within the framework of the existing state or you have to fight to recognise you as an independent territory where the hostile state can no longer interfere. it's situational what works. that's what i mean by natlib

leftcoms the second you start talking about Ukraine or Palestine

@BodyWoOrgans “idk where you read that” ummm literally any pice on the subject. National liberation is explicitly about creating a state, ask any other leftist. That’s why it’s called NATIONAL liberation cause it’s about liberating a nation and no not in a metaphysical way.

@UltraFox_1 idk where you read that. national liberation is the process to liberate a nation from national oppression. it can be either done through internal assimilating struggle (like civil rights) or if it's rendered impossible the creation of an external state yes, but never ethnostate

@BodyWoOrgans That’s not national liberation though. National liberation implies the creation of a state for a specific people. In this case a Jewish state for the Jewish people. Removing hate laws and bigotry is not national struggle.

@UltraFox_1 because it was a colonial policy? it would have been enough for european states to denazify and adopt a vigorously system of policies to eradicate systemic and cultural antisemitism. many european places have achieved something close to this, israel is the biggest obstacle rn

@BodyWoOrgans If Israel in the Middle East became a genocidal ethno state what makes you think Israel in Europe wouldn’t be different? I see no evidence to suggest otherwise.

@UltraFox_1 yes there should have been a jewish national struggle in europe where there would have been an area where they could live in equality with others instead of perpetuating the same injustice done upon them. this still doesn't require a complete national state but equalisation

@BodyWoOrgans So do you support post ww2 Jewish national struggle? They were an extremely oppressed people who didn’t want apartheid and mass slaughter imposed on them?

@UltraFox_1 look i want the proletariat of all countries to not have to worry about division imposed upon them by apartheid and occupation, the path to equalisation is national liberation its finalisation is class struggle and I won't rest until true liberation is achieved dw

@BodyWoOrgans Yes

@UltraFox_1 nah

@BodyWoOrgans National struggle is directly opposed to class struggle. Like I said before national struggle is a class collaborative effort.

@UltraFox_1 we know we can't achieve it, but as said before it reduces it and that's why it must work in tandem with class struggle

@BodyWoOrgans You can’t achieve equalisation under capitalism it constantly creates class antagonisms with the purpose of keeping the working class divided. This is why class struggle to abolish the present state of things has to be our goal.

@UltraFox_1 the working class is divided by nation our aim is to unite them to overcome the division and it's necessary to recognise that in occupation the people are not equal and we should strive towards equalisation. people are devided by sex, ethnicity, geography, etc

@BodyWoOrgans International socialism encourages the recognition of people devied by class not by nation. International socialism works towards the global communist revolution. Working class people can and should come together regardless of nation or “level” of oppression.

@UltraFox_1 no? this is like international socialism because i care about the working class of other countries too and they should not have to not carry a burden of national oppression too

@BodyWoOrgans So you’re gonna do national socialism?

@UltraFox_1 skill issue. watch me do class struggle, national struggle, lgbtq struggle and all other struggles at the same time. i don't subscribe to the idea that we should do nothing about oppression until this "eventual" revolution

@BodyWoOrgans “class struggle is not on pause idk where you got this” You can’t do class struggle and national struggle at the same time. National struggle is a class collaborative activity often spurred on by the regional bourgeois or petty bourgeois for greater domination of an area.

@UltraFox_1 class struggle is not on pause idk where you got this. marx recognised the irish struggle of the working people against national oppression. he recognised the struggle for free speech, after him many recognised the suffragette struggle towards equality of sexes. so why can't u

@BodyWoOrgans “We need 500 ethnostates then we can begin class struggle” -Karl Marx

@UltraFox_1 being oppressed by national oppression is another burden above the economic class oppression so yes actually it's a better fate

@BodyWoOrgans Being oppressed by your local bourgeois is not a better fate than being oppressed by a slightly further away bourgeois

@UltraFox_1 so there's nothing wrong with national oppression i suppose and we shouldn't oppose it in the current environment, got it

@BodyWoOrgans “you just simply don't care about national struggle at all”

@UltraFox_1 you in practice appease imperialist occupation rather than resist it. you don't "care more" about class struggle, you just simply don't care about national struggle at all

@CheesyKirah @melissa13oneil @john_wilddog Lenin would kill himself if he saw his modern followers were this stupid

@melissa13oneil @john_wilddog Please reffer to the graphs

bro got the Axis of Evil combo

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@UltraFox_1 @Aspen1921 well i ain't focusing on one or the other

american interests being present doesnt make something inter-imperialist and certainly doesn't excuse throwing your hands up and letting the atrocities of the russian fascists go unopposed in ukraine and in russia.

@BodyWoOrgans @Aspen1921 It does have to be the main focus though. They’ll certainly be things to achieve post revolution but not much is necessary to come beforehand.

@UltraFox_1 @Aspen1921 i never said class struggle wasn't essential, but my point is that it isn't enough