@GuyPlummer34449 @guernseyliz14 @advocategreen1 I know my brain is adling,
But surely that the wrong way of doing things 🤔
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@ViaerFou @guernseyliz14 @advocategreen1 😁Do keep up.That’s old news😁.
I revised it yesterday - to phasing it out if parents can see continual improvement in state sector
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And perhaps the only barrier to more leakage is cost
Yet although we can say this saves the State money; as a community are we really happy with having effectively such a large %in private education. Is it healthy for the community?
Guy Plummer@GuyPlummer34449
Since 2010 there has been an overall leakage from the state to private education from reception to Year 11 of 4% and more to Year 13 More parents have willing to use their declining real terms incomes for their children’s education.
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@GuyPlummer34449 @guernseyliz14 @advocategreen1 Like the £3million of tax payers money that Deputies thought should go to propping up cheap private schools instead of supporting the State sector 🤔
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@guernseyliz14 @advocategreen1 But what I’m saying is the community needs to coalesce around improving the State system
And f necessary using funds allocated to other departments
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@advocategreen1 @GuyPlummer34449 My reason for commenting is that there is a lot of scaremongering. The pressure that puts on parents to scrimp and save for a private education is inexcusable. As I say, it’s a personal and very individual choice, but all of our high schools have received positive inspections.
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@oldfarmhorace @GuyPlummer34449 Owen’s paternalism mirrors Guernsey’s tiered system, where state-funded private colleges preserve elite social structures.
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@ViaerFou @GuyPlummer34449 Owen did not just want educated workers. He wanted better-behaved, more compliant, more productive citizens. Education was a tool for improvement but also a tool for control and standardisation
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And so perhaps a couple of nudges or carrot and stick in old money
Firstly parents need to see a bit of continuing improvement to tempt them back in to States system
and then, reduce the States Grant over time giving funds to back ESC
But improvement needs to happen first
Guy Plummer@GuyPlummer34449
This ESC committee , this term need and are deserving of support. We,perhaps, haven’t been able to say that for 5 years.
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@advocategreen1 @GuyPlummer34449 You are right it should be better and can be better but the current system privileges the private sector, we should have a state sector which would be the normal choice for most parents.
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@GuyPlummer34449 I don't think it is necessarily unhealthy. Parents are perhaps dealing with the system as it actually is; rather than how they want it to be. I believe in State education but it can and should be far better in this jurisdiction?
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@GuyPlummer34449 It is totally unhealthy for a community on many levels.
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@oldfarmhorace @GuyPlummer34449 His ideas show that not all Victorians thought as you proposed, our education acts were heavily influenced by earlier UK acts like 1870 and their influences.
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@ViaerFou @GuyPlummer34449 He was Welsh. We are discussing Guernsey.
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@advocategreen1 @GuyPlummer34449 Does it make it right ?
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@ViaerFou @GuyPlummer34449 Does that make it wrong necessarily?
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By comparison the buy out rates for England
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Primary 5% (14%)
Secondary 7-8%(30%)
Average 6-7% (21%)
So in Gsy that’s 1528 private students to year 11 and say another 320 in 6th form =1850 in total
Guy Plummer@GuyPlummer34449
Together with the some informative context
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@oldfarmhorace @GuyPlummer34449 Partly true but remember the likes of Robert Owen.
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The big Victorian motivation was the worry that poor people were not good parents and brought up unruly hooligans. This worry continues to today when we think the same about children below school age and the need to replace the parents with proper support to make them good citizens who will do as they are told.
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@advocategreen1 @GuyPlummer34449 Ahhh that explains the strange anomaly of 30% 11+ kids in private sector ?
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@ViaerFou @GuyPlummer34449 It's an island off the Coast of France?!
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@advocategreen1 @GuyPlummer34449 and what is Guernsey ?
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@GuyPlummer34449 To be fair, those figures aren't that extraordinary given what Guernsey is?
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@oldfarmhorace @GuyPlummer34449 Not sure that was the reasoning for introducing the 1893 & 1903 acts at all to help the feckless ones.
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@ViaerFou @GuyPlummer34449 We could have fewer States schools. Wouldn’t that be a great saving? And remember States schooling was introduced to help parents who couldn’t or wouldn’t pay for their children to be educated.
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@oldfarmhorace @GuyPlummer34449 Your idea would reduce the state sector to sink schools.
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@ViaerFou @GuyPlummer34449 Think if a larger grant was given making them more affordable and another 10% dropped out of the States system. The net saving would mean a lot more money for each States pupil.
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#CHOG just wondering about our Helium supply and our MRI machine was that in on the risk register ? What are the cascading risks there of ?
( As far as I know our MRI is not a Helium free model stand to be corrected )
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@RossLeBrun I saw this happening as we competed against it or had to fix the bodges
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@ViaerFou Cheers!
It’s been a problem that no one’s wanted to quantify for years
If we don’t look at it, it’s not a problem
But I saw it happening first hand
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#CHOG excellent article by @RossLeBrun
Think the legal loophole is they can come over for 10days/ per month.
With the spectre of GST on the horizon this problem will probably get worse as people become more creative( cash in hand ) in ways to avoid paying GST.
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@oldfarmhorace I agree a very clear understanding is needed as many go on or try to be Deps without a thorough understanding.
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@ViaerFou I think actually governance and a clear understanding of the committee system by members and officers should come first.
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#CHOG there wouldn’t be any discontent, well much less if Deputies, CS, committee members had critical thinking tools that enable collegiate diversity of thinking & decision support, and greatly lessen the need for unnecessary consultants.
Which Deputy will ask, what tools ?
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