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@scurysp @Catniipnip @Pai_estovir Deus é uma criatura? Vocês protestantes realmente são demasiado equivocados.

@Voxservi @Catniipnip @Pai_estovir esse é Deus, na verdade. essa sua hiperdulia tá a um passo de virar idolatria, hein? cuidado...

Esse é o tipo de coisa q Lúcifer diria

@scurysp @malacksss @Pai_estovir Apocalipse 5:8 1. Quem já foi salvo, está na plentide. 2. Quem não foi salvo e foi condenado, de nada servem as orações. 3. Só restam os vivos e as almas do purgatório.

@scurysp @malacksss @Pai_estovir Não existe diálogo meu caro… existe um monólogo de quem pede a intercessão… e os vivos em Cristo partilham da sua Glória… o livro do apocalipse é simples para entender. O ofertório das orações dos Santos é isto mesmo:

@scurysp @malacksss @Pai_estovir 1. Abraão ouve o rico que está no inferno. 2. Estamos a dar-lhe informação para que rezem por nós. Necromancia é o que Saul fez com o profeta Samuel…

@Voxservi @malacksss @Pai_estovir Deuteronômio 18:10-12 Eclesiastes 9:5-6 a parábola do Rico e Lázaro em Lucas 16:19-31, onde "há um grande abismo entre nós e vós"... não tem possibilidade de consultarmos pessoas mortas, além de Deus por si só já abominar (1 Crônicas 10:13-14)

@scurysp @malacksss @Pai_estovir De novo, não estamos a consultar as pessoas mortas, você não entende o que é necromancia.

@scurysp @malacksss @Pai_estovir Verso e capítulo?

@Voxservi @malacksss @Pai_estovir ainda é tentar se comunicar com mortos. os mortos já habitam com Deus e lá vivem com Ele. não tem acesso nosso a quem já foi arrebatado, seja santo ou não.

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 You too sir. Thank you for being respectful.

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 Have a nice day. God bless you.

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 Slow down, dude. What are the two facts? You used a rhetorical question, but you didn't make a point, and you didn't state any facts.

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 The official language in most of Christian Europe (Roman Empire) was Latin at the time - between 382 and 405 by St Jerome...

This is what I said, "It took them 500 years to finally let Catholics read the Bible, translated from the original Hebrew and Greek, in their own language." What is the first roman catholic bible translation of the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew into English or any common language? I think previously I said it was the New American Bible, but that's actually incorrect. It was the Confraternity Bible (New Testament) and Knox Bible (OT and NT).

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 If it was for the nobles, keeping peasants illiterate, the better. Since the Middle Ages the Catholic Church did built not only schools. If we put theological arguments away and humbly discuss social part of the church you’ll recognize it was the ignition for Europe development.

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 When did they do this and at what scale?

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 It was the only one.

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 Certainly not exclusively, and not in contrast to any other institution.

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 Then you will back on what you’ve said regards to the church prohibition on the lay to read - which is a false argument.

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 I don't dispute this.

@MetzUAC1530 @mqulis You’ve read “On Indulgences” from the council of Trent, by chance?

@Voxservi @mqulis As Luther’s theology grew, he rejected the entire concept of indulgences. They really are silly and needless in the first place. Their mere existence is an abuse.

Pope Respecter got trolled so hard here.

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 Have you read it? Clearly you didn’t. It is not the concept that Luther was against, it was against the abuses, which all Catholics are. Read the article.

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 vatican.va/content/paul-v…

@MetzUAC1530 @mqulis Saint Robert Bellarmine f.e on Desputationes that rebated every argument from Luther, Calvin and the other heretics…

@Voxservi @mqulis And didn’t reform much of anything. The papistic church still holds to indulgences, still profanes the Mass, etc.

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 typo: the 2 facts I mentioned rebating your fallacious argument that the Catholics didn’t want to let laity read the Bible.

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 "part 2 facts" You asked questions, you didn't state any facts, genius.

@mqulis @MetzUAC1530 Oh Tyndale’s heretic translations which were confronted by Thomas More? Not an expert, I suppose you are? But since you didn’t reflect on the part 2 facts I mentioned I don’t believe you are?

@Voxservi @MetzUAC1530 You murdered William Tyndale and then published the New American Bible 500 years later.

@MetzUAC1530 @mqulis Keep holding it, thankfully the real reformers came - St Robert and St Ignatius.

@mqulis @Voxservi It would be nice if, sometime within the next 500 years, the papacy would acknowledge that it is at fault for the split in Christianity during the Reformation. I’m not holding my breath.