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@commissaire__m Poland never actively colonised any of its occupied territories unlike Russians or Germans, those people moved there out of their free will during over 400 years that those lands were Polish

Жодним чином не виправдовуючи вбивства на Волині, про які так люблять згадувати поляки, маю одне логічне запитання. Хто і навіщо поселив на тих землях польських жінок та дітей? Свідомо обираючи долю колоніста на чужій території заради інтересів імперії, треба усвідомлювати ризики

@Dicer41101382 Show me please how many Ukrainians were killed by Poles before 1943, because all I have seen is lies and no evidence.

Зрозумійте,є історична правда.Вона просто правда,не українська і не польска А є справжня правда(польска),то злі українці вбивали по звірячому цивільних поляків А поляки вбивали цивільних українців,білорусів,літовців та інших виключно в гуманний спосіб ☝️ Шляхетно вбивали

@Info53917080 Don't get delusional

‼️Якщо росія нападе на Польщу, то повірте: Польща САМА називатиме власні підрозділи іменем УПА, аби лиш українці допомогли.

@Lavrovskyi Problem w dużej mierze polega na tym, że wy koledzy Ukraińcy chcecie zrównać nasze przestępstwa z waszymi, na co wiekszosc Polaków nigdy sie nie zgodzi. Prawda, mamy swoje za uszami, ale rzeź wołyńska jest na zupełnie innym poziomie.

Considering my partial Polish roots, I’ve spent a long time thinking about what to write regarding the Ukrainian-Polish scandal, and the crisis in our relations as a whole. But I doubt I could ever say it better than Oleksandr Zinchenko. We have a lot of work ahead of us, and much can be said about the solutions, but we must remember the core truth - without Poland, Ukraine will be weaker, and without Ukraine, so will Poland. 👇 Why is the Polish right-wing turning hostile? Historian Oleksandr Zinchenko argues that it’s not about past UPA history - it’s about fear of Ukraine’s rising geopolitical power. The Polish right realizes that Russia is losing, and they are terrified of Ukraine’s growing agency. Poland is currently acting as a "Traumaland" - making past fears and historical scars the cornerstone of its national identity instead of processing them. To overcome this crisis and stop mutual re-traumatization, Zinchenko proposes a comprehensive 7-step roadmap for reconciliation: 1. A Liturgy of Mutual Forgiveness - Ukraine should invite the next President of Poland to Kyiv for a joint prayer service at the historic St. Sophia Cathedral. The cornerstone of this spiritual reconciliation must be the powerful formula: "We forgive and ask for forgiveness." 2. Acknowledging Geopolitical Errors - The Polish leadership needs to declare that opposing Ukrainian independence in 1918-1921 was the single greatest mistake in our shared history. That division cost Ukraine millions of lives under Soviet rule, cost Poland hundreds of thousands, and directly led to Poland losing its own statehood in 1939. When we stand apart, we both fall. 3.Humanizing All Victims - We must stop dividing historical pain. A joint declaration should state: "All victims of our tragic past are neither strictly Polish nor Ukrainian - they are ours, they are human." Every act of ethnic cleansing committed in the 20th century by either side must be unconditionally condemned. The tragic deaths of children in Sahryn are no different from those in Wola Ostrowiecka. 4. Breaking the 80-Year Memorial Taboo - Both Presidents must jointly lay flowers at the historical conflict sites - specifically in Sahryn (Poland) and Ostrówki / Wola Ostrowiecka (Ukraine). Despite decades of Ukrainian urgings, no Polish president in over 80 years has taken this step. This historical omission must be corrected. 5. De-anonymizing the Tragedy - We need to move from abstract numbers to human faces. Ukraine and Poland should cooperate to research and publish a complete, nominal list of every single victim of the bilateral conflict, printed in both languages. Every individual must be remembered by name. 6. Agreeing to Disagree on National Pantheons - We must accept that our national heroes will never be the same. Poland must recognize that Ukrainian heroes are not Polish, and Ukraine must recognize that Polish heroes are not Ukrainian. Ukraine will not challenge the legacy of Piłsudski or Dmowski (who allied with Bolsheviks against Ukrainian statehood), and Poland must stop targeting those who fought for Ukraine's independence. We both fought for our freedom. We both won it. Period. 7. Ironclad Mutual Security Guarantees - A new strategic paradigm: Ukraine, possessing the most battle-hardened and powerful military on the European continent, will legally guarantee and actively defend Poland’s sovereignty. In return, Poland, as a major European power, will unconditionally support Ukraine’s integration and its diplomatic efforts for a just, lasting peace. Ukraine has conquered its own existential fears on the battlefield. Now, we are strong enough to help Poland overcome its historical anxieties. By executing this roadmap, both nations can finally shed the baggage of the 20th century and build an unbreakable, equal alliance for the future. 🇺🇦🤝🇵🇱

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth I am not gonna judge feudal politics, because the world pre 19th century was a vastly different place and every intelligent person knows it, that's the same reason I am not salty about Germans existing in what used to be Eastern Germany, nowadays Western Poland.

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth слухай, йди лісом. Львів заснував Данило Романович, король Русі. то, що ви окупували ті території не робить вас місцевими. ви - приблуди.

Damn, maybe you guys should learn not to build on Ukrainian land without permission of Ukrainians? Why Ukrainians should be ashamed of fighting against colonizers and occupiers?

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth Hahaha are you projecting or something? You are trying so hard to justify a genocide, how come we Poles didnt mass genocide Germans after WW2? Had many reasons to do so, but we are not as barbaric as you lot.

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth ні, ти - шовініст вульгаріс: обґрунтовуєш право на дискримінацію, експансію, гноблення та підкорення інших народів. спочатку захопили території, насаджали свій світоустрій, а потім, коли вас вигнали сцаними ганчірками, ниїте і прокльони виригуєте.

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth The only Chauvinists here are Ukrainians with their "Poles had it coming" syndrome and Ruskis of course.

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth угу, сьогодні цілий день вас, не шовиністів, читала

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth Galicia has been ours long before the commonwealth was formed, besides Commonwealth wasn't an empire, is this what they teach you in Ukrainian schools? Then I pity you.

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth кацапи у містах на сході України теж. це тому, що ви були йобаною імперією. і свого шовінізму не можете позбутися досі

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth Poland occupied Galicia haha dont be funny, this land was ours for centuries, Poles were the majority in all of the cities.

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth Польща окупувала Галичину і вела себе так, як німці 1939. ви виправдовуєте нацистів?

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth So you are trying to excuse genocide of thousands of Poles, who were living in Galicia for centuries, because Poland had Galicia during the interwar period? Dumb and cruel justification.

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth а до чого тут коли з'явилися поляки? питання було в тому коли і за яких обставин Польща захопила Галичину.

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth You think Poles magically appeared there in 1920? Are you mad?

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth ок, 1920 рік був 800 років тому. 🤣

@mychimz @OldBadZinger @strykoza_ua See, everything would be better if the exhumations weren't a problem, this is one thing I dont understand, wouldn't it be better for our relationship if the government would allow mass exhumations in form of a good will?

@Willykse38 @OldBadZinger @strykoza_ua Потому что он был лидером ОУН. Не мы из 21го века его назначили лидером, так сложилось ещё тогда. Хотя лидером он был только для части ОУН, потому что она никогда не была монолитной.

Польщі ніхто не вказує, як вшановувати своїх героїв, не зважаючи на криваві сторінки і вчинені воєнні злочини проти українців і євреїв. Й Україні ніхто не в праві вказувати, як вшановувати наших героїв. Особливо поляки, що завдали море кривди українцям. Вони тут не пани.

@conform1st @CanadianKobzar Can you say the same about UPA? Because me and lots of other Poles have been always denouncing some of the people of AK that were doing disgusting things. Its only the Ukrainians who have troubles with condemning their "heroes".

@Willykse38 @CanadianKobzar 20k dead not huge enough? You are disgusting

Last thing I will say on this - Ukraine did horrible things to poles. poles did horrible things to Ukrainians. Let’s accept, apologize and move on. Ukrainian are fighting and dying today. Poles are fighting with Ukrainians and dying. Focus on the real enemy. Let the past die.

@mumscorgi You are so dumb that you dont know the difference between a nation and a country. So in your opinion Kurds dont exist because they dont have a country of their own? Ukrainians are truly something else 🤣

@conform1st @CanadianKobzar I dont think those people should be glorified, but still it was a revenge for the massacre you did and it was nowhere near as organised as what you did.

@mychimz @OldBadZinger @strykoza_ua True, but Poles fortunately will support the war effort no matter what, there is no real talk for stopping support, even though everyone is pissed off.

@Willykse38 @OldBadZinger @strykoza_ua Потому что сейчас украинцы ведут войну за существование своей страны и нации. Поэтому лучше не заставлять выбирать одну сторону, а оценивать целиком.

@mychimz @OldBadZinger @strykoza_ua Understandable, though there are many Ukrainian heroes with better morals, why choose Bandera as the main symbol?

@Willykse38 @OldBadZinger @strykoza_ua Не знаю про школы, но улицы да, есть. Ну, поляки справедливо злятся, потому что он и его идеи причиняли им вред. Для украинцев он символ борьбы за независимость. Некоторые украинцы не могут отречься от второго, поэтому если заставлять их выбрать что то одно - они выберут второе.

@conform1st @CanadianKobzar It is barbarian and I do not condone it, fortunately my nation didnt orchestrate a huge scale barbarism like yours.

@Willykse38 @CanadianKobzar Why didn't you answer my question? How is killing Ukrainian women and children with axes not barbarian?

@olviyas @Ravvenrotth By conquest during the middle-ages, just like any other land. Middle-ages were vastly different to modern times and you shouldn't judge people living there because of feudal decisions 800 years prior.

@Willykse38 @Ravvenrotth а як вона нею стала, нагадай