Wojtek

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Wojtek

Wojtek

@WojtekMP

Katılım Şubat 2024
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@5G_Reptilian Roman has never supported Putin and russian regime. Calling to deport him is ridiculous. Better think twice.
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5G Reptilian Surfing on Chemtrails
The typical "anti war" ruSSian. They're the biggest victims of everything. So oppressed. These whiny idiots are just as pathetic and despicable as Putin's supporters. Here's a well-known one, going on yet another whining rant. Deport them ALL back. Let them rot in their country.
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@VsimPohuy Poland as a state have not turned around, we are still supporting you. At last it is also our own interest and we were in the same place once, so we know who to support. But such actions as that of your President cause erosion of support for Ukraine in polish society. 7/n
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Mark Kaplan
Mark Kaplan@VsimPohuy·
Polish people know perfectly well that Ukrainian rememberance of UPA has nothing to do with them or with Volyn tragedy or with Nazis. In Ukrainian culture it is first and foremost symbol of the only real armed resistance against soviet occupation of Ukraine which killed, tortured and raped millions of Ukrainians. Most significant historical figures of the past have dark sides. American founding fathers were slave owners, Napoleon commited numerous mass murders and engaged in wars resulting in deaths of millions, Winston Churchill could be one to blame in deaths of millions of indians during Bengal famine. All of them are praised in their countries and all around the world nethertheless. Not for the killings and death but for the other deeds. It is not that important today if Napoleon's name is all around in Paris, it is important that France is not commiting genocides in Middle East and British are not trying to subjugate Indian people. In their culture, and in their minds those are the symbols of nation building and not crimes they commited along the way. Similarly modern Ukrainian people have never been hostile to Poland or Polish people. Every poll, every act was always friendly as much as it was possible. And that UPA-named unit is not a "nazi militia", it is an AFU unit operating under Ukrainian and international law and doing the hardest work ever - protecting Ukraine (and Poland) from Russian murderers. Poland on the contrary have turned around quite a bit and in the last couple of years blocked Ukrainian borders several times resulting in logistical problems and problems on the frontline (it means someone died because of that), poured Ukrainian grain on the ground all while Polish people are constantly involved in discriminatory attacks against Ukrainians in Poland. One can google those attacks and see at least several arrests only this year and hundreds or thousands of reports of bullying and phisical acts. Any Ukrainian who lived in Poland not only now but 10-15 years ago (me) will tell you numerous stories of Polish bigotry and aggression towards Ukrainians. All of that resulted in election of anti-Ukrainian president whose whole platform was built on anti-Ukrainianism. All of that happened before Zelensky's UPA decree. There should be a debate on UPA's hitorical role, their collaboration with the Nazis or their acts of violence against the Poles. But it is still an internal debate of Ukrainian people (who are not nazis and like Polish people a lot). And Poland should be welcome to contribute to this debate if it is doing so in a good will and for a good reason. It just feels that it's not a good one
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@VsimPohuy What consequences it will bring. So thos emotion is not triggered by polish politicians , but it originates from feelings of ordinary Poles. And even people that support Ukraine with donations or giving shelter yo Ukrainian refugees. 6/n
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@VsimPohuy And we still have to wait for permission to exhumate the polish chvilians killed by UPA in Wolyn. This process is delayed by ukrainian side. Zelenski acts hostile towards Poland in UN during grain crisis, now he named the military unit witb the name of UPA heroes, though he knew
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@VsimPohuy Ukrainian people can choose their their heroes by themselves, but their choice will have consequences. And regarding Poles - it is common emotion that we feel disappointed by actions of Ukrainian authorieties. Poland was first to help Ukrsine in 2022 . 4/n
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@VsimPohuy The goal of Ukrainian independence does not justify their methods. And the question is what for Ukraine it would be that Badera and their companions planned - semi fasist dictature cleaned of Jews, Poles and their political oponents. 3/n
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@VsimPohuy The later resistance against Soviets does not justify their former actions against Jews and Poles. OUN-B and UPA were nationalistic organizations, that delcared using and used every method including mass murders of civilians to achive their goals. 2/n
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@VsimPohuy First thing first: I admired you and M.Podolyak in your yt channel in Tronto Ukr. Telev. Here I partially disagree. First genocide of 100k+ polish civilians by UPA was not a collateral demage, but carefuly planned action. 1/n
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@EvilGayFugitive Wolyn runs two ways; planned ethnic cleansing from UPA side and defend of civilians nd retorsion from polish side. There is nk symmetry here like in current war between Russia and Ukraine.
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HomoThugg
HomoThugg@EvilGayFugitive·
@WojtekMP Yes I mostly agree. But you see that it’s so rare to find a Polish person who admits any fault whatsoever, that my message about the narrative is true. I agree that more should be done in Wołyń, but this issue runs two ways. It always has
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@sumlenny Yeah in Poland we are also pissed off because of the actions of Zelenski. Maybe it is a good coincidence - we should clarify some issues between Poland and Ukraine ant it is simply inevitable.
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Sergej Sumlenny, LL.M
Ukraine’s former PM and former Vinnytsia’s mayor Groysman returns his Polish order he received for improving relations between Vinnytsia and Polish cities. A note: Groysman is openly Jewish (“UPA Nazis”) and Zelensky’s rival. Nawrocki’s actions have pissed off everyone in Ukraine
Volodymyr Groysman@VGroysman

У 2011 році, будучи мером Вінниці, я отримав Лицарський хрест Ордена Заслуг Республіки Польща за розвиток регіональної співпраці з польськими містами. Ця нагорода для мене особиста. Саме тому рішення повернути її - теж особисте. Я повертаю орден на знак солідарності з Україною та Президентом Зеленським. Не з образою на польський народ, а з глибокою повагою до нього та вдячністю за всі роки підтримки, за мільйони поляків, які відкрили серця і домівки для наших людей після 24 лютого. Кожен народ має право на свою історію та своїх героїв. Це право священне - і для України, і для Польщі. Ми можемо дивитись на минуле по-різному і це нормально між сусідами з такою глибокою і складною спільною долею. Але минуле не може бути дорожчим за спільне майбутнє. Є те, що не підлягає дискусії: сьогодні точиться війна. Справжній ворог - росія. І поки ця війна триває - суперечки про минуле ми не можемо собі дозволити. Саме цього і прагне москва: щоб Варшава і Київ дивились не вперед, а назад. Вінстон Черчилль колись сказав: «Якщо ви сваритесь з минулим, ви втратите майбутнє». Україна і Польща - стратегічні союзники. Не тому, що так записано в деклараціях. Тому що наша безпека, наша свобода, наше місце в Європі - нероздільні. Мій орден повертається. Але моя повага до польського народу - залишається.

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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@EvilGayFugitive Hmm as a Pole I admit thst we are sensitive regarding history. I do not find it as disadvantage. I do not think that we only percive ourselves as victims We condrmned eg Wisła action or massacre of Jews in Jedwabne. We support Ukraine in the fight for independence. 1/2
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@DimitriNabokoff The question is why Ukrainian President wants to ruin reputation of his country assosiating it with UPA, orgsnizstion that performed ethnic cleansing in western Ukraine. They killed over 100k of polish civilians. Zelenski named one of the army units "UPA heroes".
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Dimitri Nabokoff@DimitriNabokoff·
Revoking a wartime medal from a nation fighting for Europe's survival is an act of pure cowardice.
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@Bartaway Yeah I wonder why on earth wants Zelenski to demage public opinion of his country assosiating it with UPA, organization that killed 100k polish civilians.
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A. Bartaway🇺🇦❤️✊✌️
I'm seeing many Polish allies asking themselves how a President can burn overnight a soft power project that had taken decades and broad efforts to build. To which I will respond as an American: 🙃
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@CurtainSilicon @ZelenskyyUa @Bartaway Zelenski aimed to show polish people disrespect and he has achived hos goal publishing that statement. We are in Poland pissed off. Do you really think that it serves our common western interests in conflict with Russia ? Zelenski makes mistakes. He is overconfident.
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
Yesterday, the President of Poland noted that the Order of the White Eagle is not an ordinary award. It is a symbol of the highest trust of the Republic of Poland. It signifies a special bond with the Polish state and the special gratitude of the Polish People. Such a symbol requires not only merit, but also respect for the values that form the foundation of our community. Therefore, if it is considered that this special symbol may remain with Catherine II, Benito Mussolini, and Gerhard Schröder, then we in Ukraine will not argue with that. Ukraine is grateful to the Polish People for their support and cooperation, which play a significant role in the struggle for our and your independence from Russia. Ukraine never forgets solidarity and understands that cooperation between states and peoples in our region is one of the tangible security guarantees for Ukrainians and for each neighboring state. Ukraine will continue to defend itself in this war unleashed by Russia, and we will undoubtedly achieve a dignified peace. Ukraine is grateful to all peoples, states, and leaders who will continue to stand with us in the defense of freedom and who, together with Ukraine, will serve as guarantors of postwar peace in Europe and a new, real security. Ukraine will remain open to all meaningful formats of engagement with Poland in order to try to avoid conflicting interpretations of the difficult and painful chapters of our shared past and to ensure proper respect for all innocent victims of the 20th century. And Ukrainians are doing everything in our power to ensure that Europe does not suffer defeat in this century. I am proud of our people and of EVERY Ukrainian warrior – of the millions of Ukrainian men and women who deserve unquestionable respect for the heroism the Ukrainian People have shown in defending themselves against Russian aggression. We believed that the Order of the White Eagle, awarded in 2023, was meant for the Ukrainian People and our army. That is what was said at the time. Today, I sent the Order back to the President of Poland. I believe the future will confirm the respect Ukrainians deserve. Glory to Ukraine!
Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський tweet media
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@LesiaLVD Well it is Ukrainian authorities who started to promote UPA as a symbol of strive for independency. There is over 100k Poles murdered by UPA and burried in pits over west Ukraine. They had relatives. Every Pole knows smbd whose relative was killed by UPA. What did Ukr. expect ?
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Lesia Dubenko 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇮🇱
What a shitshow with this stripping Zelenskyy of the Polish order. First, let me just say that I absolutely fucking hate everything that has to do with historical grudges. Oh but do you remember what happened 100 years ago? No, I don’t. It’s 2026 outside, move on. Second, I can understand the Poles frustration with the UPA but try playing the victim just a tad less. The Poles weren’t randomly passing Ukraine that day. They were oppressors just like the Russians once upon a time. They oppressed the Ukrainian language and culture so you know, kinda know your limits. Third, no I don’t support this PR marathon of renouncing the order that’s happening right now. It’s like kids in the kindergarten throwing sand at each other, you stupid, no you stupid. You both stupid tbh. Finally, I personally don’t like UPA and don’t consider their methods to be that that deserve modern day praise . It’s like Hamas, they also have a valid cause from their perspective but it’s terrorism and evil. Grow up
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@sumlenny Yes, your comment is quite witty, but are you sure that praising organization that murdered dozens of thousends of Poles and cooperated with Nazi Gremany is the best thing Ukraine can do at the moment ? I know that this is a part of Ukrainian history, but nevertheless.
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Sergej Sumlenny, LL.M
Sergej Sumlenny, LL.M@sumlenny·
Polish comments on UPA are as woke as Greta Tunberg multiplied by AOC. What a panopticon.
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@HubnerrMax @EwaThompson1 C1 to duża część Polaków by nie zdała. To chyba nie w tym rzecz. Czy 10 lat czekania sprawi, że ktoś będzie lojalnym obywatelem ?
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Max Hübner
Max Hübner@HubnerrMax·
Czarnek zaprezentował propozycje PiS do zmiany uzyskania polskiego obywatelstwa przez cudzoziemców: Nie 3 lata pobytu, tylko 10 lat! Nie 3 lata po ślubie, tylko 6 lat! Nie znajomość polskiego na B1, tylko na C1! Plus PAŃSTWOWY EGZAMIN ze znajomości polskiej kultury i historii!
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Sebastian Meitz
Sebastian Meitz@MeitzPL·
Das deutsche Narrativ zum SAFE-Veto von Präsident @NawrockiKn ist bequem, eingängig – und analytisch bemerkenswert schwach. In vielen Berichten erscheint die Entscheidung vor allem als innenpolitischer Machtkampf zwischen der pro-europäischen Regierung von Premierminister Donald Tusk und Präsident Nawrocki. Der Kern der Debatte wird dabei systematisch verdrängt. Es geht um Schulden, Industriepolitik und die institutionellen Regeln der Verteidigungsfinanzierung. ⚠️ Was in Deutschland fast vollständig ausgeblendet wird: Es stehen zwei unterschiedliche Modelle zur Finanzierung der Modernisierung der Streitkräfte zur Diskussion. Da derzeit viele Fragen zu dieser Entscheidung kursieren, folgt für meine deutschsprachigen Leserinnen und Leser ein kurzer Thread 🧵 auf Grundlage der relevanten Dokumente – der Präsidialrede, des Gesetzentwurfs zum Polnischen Fonds für Verteidigungsinvestitionen sowie seiner Begründung. Der Thread zeigt drei Dinge: 📌 warum SAFE in Polen vor allem als Schuldenfrage diskutiert wird 📌warum das Programm auch industriepolitische Konsequenzen hat 📌und welches alternative Finanzierungsmodell der Präsident vorgeschlagen hat Ein Versuch, Fakten, Dokumente und Narrative wieder zusammenzuführen. 1/11
Sebastian Meitz tweet media
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Wojtek@WojtekMP·
@jachcy Ten chłopak od lat mieszka w naszym kraju i prowadzi kanał naYT "IRAŃCZYK W POLSCE". Uważam, że jest wiarygodny. To nie jest ktoś podstawiony tylko ktoś kto wyemigrował z Iranu nie akceptując tamtejszego reżimu. Tematy polityczne to margines jego działalności
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