Zinetsu_Storm

@terrierisms Same. Been several months like that.

I’ve been in this endless circle for months

@TylerNe83866286 @ARMANDOTRON99 Mayhem awaits

On Monday aka tomorrow we will be doing a collab with @ARMANDOTRON99 and @Z1netsu_0 playing dead zone rogue @ 3pm CST come join

Does anybody know where the smart control is at for the other apartments or is it only at the eden apartment?

Another person that can't handle a conversation and runs away so they block you so you can't respond. All because they won't stop lying about what I said.

I'm talking about things that could happen, not claiming that they did happen. You asked for me to tell you the repercussion and I told you what could happen in the future. And again, how is me defending people being able to complain the same as me defending people trying to remove people from Vtubing? Where have I said anything that defends people trying to remove people from Vtubing? For somebody that whines a lot about me apparently making up stuff you sure do make up a lot of stuff and pretend that I said it. Why do you keep projecting things on to me and then attacking those things and not what I'm actually saying? Why are you hating on me? I thought that hating on people for stuff that didn't happen is bad, but you keep doing it repeatedly.

If you are a sfw vtuber complaining about nsfw vtubers.. why? You don't even appeal to the same audiences/viewers why do you care.

@kingzut @fenrieku What things did I make up? Why are you conflating me defending complaining as me defending hating?

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku you are making up things that didnt happen in order to give a reason to complain about them and by complain it often means attacking and trying to push them out of spaces. how in your mind isnt that hating on them?

@kingzut @fenrieku No, I'm not hating on them. As I said, I'm explaining why SFW Vtubers would be complaining about NSFW Vtubers. Stop lying about what I'm saying.

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku so your hating on NSFW Vtubers because you think sometime in the future they MIGHT cause some sort of issue for Vtubers as a whole but have nothing to really base your claim on. so they arent to blame for anything now your just projecting to "have a reason to complain".

"your claiming NSFW vtubers are/have been causing problems for SWF Vtubers" What about this "Because negative repercussions that effect Vtubers would affect sfw vtubers too." means are/have been causing problems? This is talking about future problems. You're right that there really isn't much more to say because you aren't actually engaging with what I've said. Instead you're repacking it to frame what I'm saying as things that I am not saying.

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku your claiming NSFW vtubers are/have been causing problems for SWF Vtubers and the "no good reason" is the fact that you have no real examples of what you are claiming happening. your just saying "it might possibly someday happen" . at this point there really isnt much more to say

@kingzut @fenrieku "this all comes down to you just want to hate on ppl and have no good reason." Where am I hating on people by stating why SFW creators would be complaining about NSFW creators? And how would potential ramifications that effect a wider group of people be "no good reason"?

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku so you have a claim and no argument, this all comes down to you just want to hate on ppl and have no good reason. i dont go blaming ppl for bad things that havent happened irl like i can say you are going to cause an issue and just because you havent yet doesnt mean you wont.

There were plenty of things that "haven't happened yet" and then they did. Just cause it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen. Just cause I haven't gotten cancer from smoking doesn't mean it wont happen. Just cause I have overdosed on drugs doesn't mean it won't happen. Do you keep that philosophy of "'what could happen' isn't what has happened its just your own made up shit" consistent with your life?

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku the change was twitch making a change to the TOS to allow some more NSFW stuff but they poorly implemented it and reverted it to the original TOS. so it didnt effect SFW streams at all. "what could happen" isnt what has happened its just your own made up shit

"so what are you saying NSFW Vtubers are stopping you from showing nudity on your SFW stream. thats you best argument?" No. If you bothered to read it is that the changes effect everybody. I'm not arguing that NSFW Vtubers prevent you from showing nudity in SFW streams. I'm saying that changes caused by the actions of NSFW Vtubers effect everybody, which is why people are complaining. How bad are you at arguing or following arguments? You make a false assumption using faulty logic to try and say I'm claiming something that I'm not, and again you're trying to claim that I'm saying something that I'm not now. I can apply your kind of argument to a different situation. There are some IRL streamers that are going around being nuisances in areas. The actions of those streamers can cause a repercussion against streamers as a whole, like IRL streamers not being allowed to stream in certain locations. Complaints wouldn't be that now those IRL streamers can't go be nuisances in areas, it would be that now they can't stream in areas. What could happen is that Vtubers have to be categorized as 18+ even if they are SFW because of actions that NSFW Vtubers could do. The argument is that people complain about other people doing things that could also effect them because people don't want to bother trying to figure out the difference and it's easier to have to be a blanket rule instead.

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku are you just dumb? NSFW stuff wasnt allowed then twitch changed TOS to allow it and poorly implemented it so they reverted it back to the original. so what are you saying NSFW Vtubers are stopping you from showing nudity on your SFW stream. thats you best argument?

"Updates to ToS because of actions that NSFW streamers have done." I said updates, not additions. And what you're asking me to do is a ridiculous thing to do because if Twitch themselves doesn't specify then no matter what I say you can claim it is wrong. You do realize that in order for there to be an update that allowed it that means that there was a change that disallowed it prior, right?

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku so in other words you dont have anything and are just grasping at straws to try and pin something on NSFW vtubers. hell the thing you are showing is a reversal of an update that allowed some NSFW art to be shown. so its not an addition to TOS.

@kingzut @fenrieku Does Twitch say the NSFW that directly causes ToS updates? Or are you demanding that I tell you specifically what caused the update when the site itself doesn't tell you specifically what NSFW directly caused the ToS update? safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Sexu…

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku name the updates and the NSFW that directly caused it. your just making vague claims. right now your just talking shit with nothing to back you up.

Updates to ToS because of actions that NSFW streamers have done. Because the ToS applies to all streamers. There's also future ToS changes that could happen as well as perceptions of streamers in general being NSFW by people that don't care to look into it. To say that it's not real is just factually incorrect.

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku even if i go off what you say there its still a brain dead line of thinking because no thats not real. like legit tell me the repercussions from NSFW on SFW streamers.

It's amazing how some people try to tell you that you have a misunderstanding then will block you because they want to run away from a conversation but also don't want you to be able to say anything else.

@Bertmussen @fenrieku If you just completely ignore the second half that is a statement and not a question then you can delude yourself into believing that.

That's not the logic at all. The logic you're looking for would be that NSFW irl streamers cause repercussions that effect IRL streamers too. Not that IRL streamers must be treated like they are NSFW streamers. How do you get to that being the logic at all when I'm talking about repercussions that Vtubers as a whole would face?

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku you realize NSFW irl streamers exist right? so then if your logic tracks then all IRL streamers must be treated like they are NSFW.. they dont? weird..

Why did I say that you didn't read it? Because you said that 18+ creators aren't out here demanding that sfw creators stop talking when this one is. Which means that either you didn't read it or you are lying. But now that you're acting like you read it that means that you are lying. Which also means that you statement about not supporting coercion of some creators for the benefit of others is also a lie because you're supporting the coercion of sfw creators for the benefit of nsfw creators. "You people are asking 18+ creators to stay out of everything" where did I ask 18+ creators to stay out of everything? And unless you mean 18+ creators when you say "you people" then you are wrong.

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku Why are you presenting something I agree with and say that I didn't read it? What a strange mind you have. You people are asking 18+ creators to stay out of everything, that is why we have this discussion in the first place.

@Bertmussen @fenrieku Did you just not read this then? This is about people being able to complain. Not about 18+ creators being told to stop creating or existing. If you want to talk about that then go find somebody that is talking about it.

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku What a strange way to use words. 18+ creators aren't out here demanding that sfw creators stop talking, but sfw creators are demanding 18+ creators stop creating, or even stop existing.

@Bertmussen @fenrieku You can't support the coercion of some creators for the benefit of others? But you want sfw creators to be coerced into not complaining about nsfw creators?

@Z1netsu_0 @fenrieku Even if this is true, I can't support the coercion of some creators for the benefit of others. It's simply not their fault.