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@sudamerica1020 @peregasolinus The issue is here that they don’t take an official stance against the errors. Priests here and there may have their criticisms but it is not a clear protest as with the SSPX.
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@peregasolinus @_BattleForTruth I do not record the homilies and lectures at my local apostolate. The Church is not the internet. And you claim they do not speak against errors in the Church but doesn't even know who they are.
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💯. The ‘Ecclesia Dei’ communities do not hold a tenable position in the crisis, and fail to oppose what ought to be opposed.
(Fr. Mark Stafki)
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During his visit to Lebanon in December 2025, Pope Leo addressed both Christians and Muslims together with:
“Dear friends, your presence here today, in this remarkable place where minarets and church bell towers stand side by side, yet both reach skyward, testifies to the enduring faith of this Land and the steadfast devotion of its people to the one God. Here in this beloved land, may every bell toll, every adhān, every call to prayer blend into a single, soaring hymn – not only to glorify the merciful Creator of heaven and earth, but also to lift a heartfelt prayer for the divine gift of peace.”
Where is the call to conversion?
Can I glorify God and obtain peace while worshiping a false god?
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Before The Consecrations - Archbishop Lefebvre Press Conference:
youtu.be/wwEXEP9gWfo
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Exactly, he took the prudent position, which is: since we cannot know for certain (“I don’t know”), we leave the judgement to God, as he said in the aforementioned letter.
I’m not interested in ‘ping-pong’.
You can read the text of his retreat at St. Michel en Brenne, April 1st, 1989 concerning the "non una cum" sedevacantist error. He called it ‘ridiculous’.
Then, in his final interview in Fideliter in 1991 he said: “I have always warned the faithful vis-à -vis the sedevacantists for example. There, also, people say: “The Mass is fine, so we go to it.”
Yes, there is the Mass. That’s fine, but there is also the sermon; there is the atmosphere, the conversations, contacts before and after, which make you little by little, change your ideas. It is therefore a danger and that’s why in general, I think it constitutes part of a whole. One does not merely go to Mass, one frequents a milieu.”
If, as you say, his opinion is ‘irrelevant’, I’m not sure why you are bent on making it appear as if he held the Sedevacantist position.
He has expressed quite clearly, given the confusing times we are in.
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Do you really want to play ping-pong? Here's an opening serve for you, a few years after yours:
Third problem: is the pope still pope when he is heretical?
I do not know, I am not making a decision! But you can ask yourselves the question. I think that any sensible man must ask himself the question. I do not know.
So now, is it urgent to talk about it?…
We may not talk about it, of course… We can talk about it among ourselves, privately, in our offices, in our private conversations, among seminarians, among priests, and all that…
Should we talk about it to the faithful? Many say: ‘No, do not talk to the faithful. They will be scandalised. It will be terrible, it will go far…’
Well. I told the priests, in Paris, when I gathered them, and then to you, I had already told you, I said: ‘I think that, little by little, we must still enlighten the faithful a little…’
I do not say that it should be done brutally, and throw this to the faithful to frighten them… No. But I still think that it is precisely a matter of faith.
The faithful must not lose the faith. We are responsible for keeping the faith of the faithful, protecting it. They will lose the faith… even our traditionalists.
Even our traditionalists will no longer have faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ. For this faith is lost! It is lost in the priests, it is lost in the bishops.
wmreview.org/p/lefebvre-any…
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Is this 1988 letter from Archbishop Lefebvre a "killshot" for "sedevacantism"?
Obviously not...
1. While many of us owe a debt to the Archbishop in having reached our conclusions, whether he himself was or was not a sedevacantist is completely irrelevant.
2. If it was not irrelevant to the question, we would happily be able to challenge anyone to a tedious game of Archbishop Lefebvre ping-pong, in which we each supply proof texts in support of our opinions (we'd win, but that's besides the point). The very fact that such a ping-pont game is possible is further proof of the previous point.
Let's look at the letter itself:
3. "Vous avez pris la solution radicale dans votre jugement sur le Pape et ainsi pour vous il n’y a plus de Pape" – this is hardly a denunciation. If he'd said something about "intégristes" then maybe it might be different...
4. "C’est une solution qui simplifie les problèmes" – again, hardly a denunciation. After all, simplifying problems is, in principle, a good thing. Isn't it?
5. "Pour nous, nous préférons laisser ce jugement à Dieu" – Expressing a preference is hardly laying down the law about what others should prefer to do.
6. "C’est une solution plus difficile, mais qui nous semble plus conforme à la réalité" – Expressing what "seems" to him be more conformable with reality is hardly a dogmatic definition.
7. "Croyez que je prie pour vous et que je demande à Dieu par Marie de vous bénir" – A warm sign-off from Archbishop Lefebvre. Would that interactions between those who disagree with each other were so pleasant.
All in all... proof of nothing that wasn't already known.
For more about how we could appreciatively approach the corpus of Archbishop Lefebvre, see below:
wmreview.org/p/why-should-w…
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Archbishop Lefebvre’s Letter to a Sedevacantist: English: Écône, 19 May 1988 Dear Mr. Laurençon, You have adopted the radical solution in your judgment about the Pope, and so for you there is no longer a Pope. It is a solution that simplifies the problems. As for us, we prefer to leave this judgment to God and to act as if the Pope were Pope, while condemning his words, his writings, and his acts, which are those of a bad shepherd. It is a more difficult solution, but it seems to us more in keeping with reality, and it allows us to make efforts so that Tradition may return to Rome. Our contacts with modernist Rome have no other purpose. We must indeed pray to Our Lady of Fatima so that the Reign of Our Lord may come. Believe that I am praying for you and that I ask God, through Mary, to bless you. + Marcel Lefebvre French: Écône, le 19 Mai 1988 Cher Monsieur Laurençon, Vous avez pris la solution radicale dans votre jugement sur le Pape et ainsi pour vous il n’y a plus de Pape. C’est une solution qui simplifie les problèmes. Pour nous, nous préférons laisser ce jugement à Dieu et agir comme si le Pape était Pape, tout en réprouvant ses paroles, ses écrits et ses actes qui sont ceux d’un mauvais pasteur. C’est une solution plus difficile, mais qui nous semble plus conforme à la réalité et qui nous permet de faire des efforts pour que la Tradition revienne à Rome. Nos contacts avec la Rome moderniste n’ont pas d’autre but. Nous devons bien prier Notre Dame de Fatima afin que le Règne de Notre Seigneur arrive. Croyez que je prie pour vous et que je demande à Dieu par Marie de vous bénir. + Marcel Lefebvre
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@MattGaspers @AmericanReform_ @StephenKokx @TheWMReview Could he make it any clearer that he wasn’t a Sedevacantist? There are quotes right up until his death.
This may also be of interest:
youtu.be/-AIF74kGcrE
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@AmericanReform_ The main reason I found the letter interesting is that your confreres @StephenKokx and @TheWMReview (Sean Wright) seem to claim Archbishop Lefebvre for the sedevacantist cause when he clearly rejected the position.
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@AmericanReform_ @MattGaspers What is good and Traditional from the Pope we accept, but what is against the faith, we can’t accept. It’s quite simple.
The words and actions Abp. Lefebvre is speaking of here is of course those which are already condemned by past Popes.
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How does this square with theological submission to the Pope and his magisterium? Of what use is the papacy if it is naturalized and emptied of its purpose?
“As for us, we prefer to leave this judgment to God and to act as if the Pope were Pope, while condemning his words, his writings, and his acts, which are those of a bad shepherd.” - Lefebvre
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@StephenKokx I’m not sure if you left out the word ‘perfectly’ on purpose, but small details are important. He says:
“By a Rome that longer perfectly has the Catholic faith”
“Par une Rome qui n’a plus parfaitement la foi Catholique”
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"Excommunicated by whom? By a Modernist Rome. By a Rome that no longer ... has the Catholic faith, that no longer thinks Catholic, that no longer acts Catholic." - Archbishop Lefebvre, 1988
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Historical tidbit: Video of press conference given by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre on June 15, 1988, just before the episcopal consecrations condemned by John Paul II - youtube.com/watch?v=wwEXEP…
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Archbishop Lefebvre’s Letter to a Sedevacantist:
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Écône, 19 May 1988
Dear Mr. Laurençon,
You have adopted the radical solution in your judgment about the Pope, and so for you there is no longer a Pope.
It is a solution that simplifies the problems.
As for us, we prefer to leave this judgment to God and to act as if the Pope were Pope, while condemning his words, his writings, and his acts, which are those of a bad shepherd.
It is a more difficult solution, but it seems to us more in keeping with reality, and it allows us to make efforts so that Tradition may return to Rome.
Our contacts with modernist Rome have no other purpose.
We must indeed pray to Our Lady of Fatima so that the Reign of Our Lord may come.
Believe that I am praying for you and that I ask God, through Mary, to bless you.
+ Marcel Lefebvre
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Écône, le 19 Mai 1988
Cher Monsieur Laurençon,
Vous avez pris la solution radicale dans votre jugement sur le Pape et ainsi pour vous il n’y a plus de Pape.
C’est une solution qui simplifie les problèmes.
Pour nous, nous préférons laisser ce jugement à Dieu et agir comme si le Pape était Pape, tout en réprouvant ses paroles, ses écrits et ses actes qui sont ceux d’un mauvais pasteur.
C’est une solution plus difficile, mais qui nous semble plus conforme à la réalité et qui nous permet de faire des efforts pour que la Tradition revienne à Rome.
Nos contacts avec la Rome moderniste n’ont pas d’autre but.
Nous devons bien prier Notre Dame de Fatima afin que le Règne de Notre Seigneur arrive.
Croyez que je prie pour vous et que je demande à Dieu par Marie de vous bénir.
+ Marcel Lefebvre
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