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I’m officially 14 years sober thank you Jesus Christ

@gramzfgs @PopPunkOG1 @Digitalsniper0 @D_Preacher_1 Mount sinai, dead seas scrolls, sodom and Gomorrah archeological site. Tell me what you find.

@PopPunkOG1 @Digitalsniper0 @_Big3rd_ @D_Preacher_1 mention one evidence

Do people believe in God because they found evidence, or because they were taught to believe as children?

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist You came to that conclusion after reading my comment?🤣🤣

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist So it's ok to lie?

@Galactic_1225 @bringbackNKVD @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist Cherry picking verses? You do understand the “rock” is not an actual rock. You seem to group every so called bad “Christian” together to exaggerate your point when I agreed. How about post the context of the verse you put and point me to where the Bible condones the behavior.

So when the institution becomes indefensible, the institution suddenly does not exist. You have spent this entire thread telling me the Inquisitors, the Crusaders, and the abusive priests were not real Christians. Now the organization that ordained, funded, and protected all of them is not even a real church. Convenient. Christ did not leave the church as a spiritual abstraction. Matthew 16:18. Upon this rock I will build my church. That rock was Peter. A human being given a direct commission to construct a specific earthly institution. The Catholic Church is the direct descendant of that commission. It is not a corruption of Christ’s vision. It is the execution of it. So the institution that ran the Inquisition, blessed the slave trade, and protected child abusers across every continent is the institution Christ personally told Peter to build. You do not get to spiritualize that away. The question stops being about impostors and starts being about what the organization Christ commissioned did with two thousand years of power.

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist There absolutely would be considering not everyone believes the same thing.

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist If morality is objective there wouldn't be different opinions.

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist The bible never condones lying.

@BigSkyDBG @_Big3rd_ @Lilith_Atheist Is it ok to lie to save someone's life?

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist The answer was its never good to kill an innocent, if you cant see that then you need to reevaluate.

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist It's bad for those people. Not sure for who it would be good though. Organ harvesters? Good and bad is different from good and evil. Morality wasn't what i was talking about.

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist Then killing innocents isn't always bad following that logic, thats why theres an objective Good and evil.

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist It's a dumb question. What good for me can be bad for you. You could drop 100$ and i could find them later. Yay

@Galactic_1225 @bringbackNKVD @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist Brother… if you think the church is a church building or institution you’re completely wrong, just like denominations are wrong. The church is the full body of Christ not a building or institution. The Bible literally confirms this.

"Anyone who uses Christianity to take advantage of someone is not a believer." That is the escape hatch. That is the entire point of what I wrote. Every institution that produces a body count uses this move. The perpetrators were not real members. The ideology is clean. The wreckage was produced by impostors. And the impostors somehow kept getting promoted, funded, ordained, and blessed by the institutional leadership of that same ideology for two thousand years straight. You are asking me to evaluate Christianity by its scripture while ignoring what the institution built from that scripture actually did with its power. Scripture is a text. Christianity is a global institution with hierarchies, land, armies, courts, treasuries, and centuries of documented conduct. The argument was never about what the text says. The argument is about what the people who controlled the institution did while holding that text in one hand and a sword in the other. And the text is not as clean as you need it to be. Deuteronomy 17 prescribes death for worshipping other gods. Deuteronomy 13 commands the destruction of entire towns that follow other deities. 1 Samuel 15 records God commanding the annihilation of the Amalekites down to the livestock. The Inquisitors did not528 pull their theology from thin air. They cited scripture. The Crusaders did not march without theological authorization. Popes cited scripture. The kings who converted populations at swordpoint did not invent the mandate. They pointed to the Great Commission and the full weight of Church tradition that interpreted it as license to compel. "Is the person or God at fault." This assumes the only two options are a perfect God and a flawed human, and the institution where the actual decisions were made disappears from the question entirely. The Inquisitor is a person. The Pope who authorized the Inquisition is a person. The Cardinals who built the legal framework are people. The bishops who transferred abusive priests are people. They all operated inside an institution that gave them the authority, the infrastructure, and the theological justification to do what they did. Asking whether God is at fault is asking about a being whose involvement cannot be verified. Asking whether the institution is at fault is asking about an organization whose conduct is documented in its own records. You keep separating the faith from the institution as if they operate independently. They do not. The institution is the faith in practice. The faith without the institution is a book on a shelf. The moment you organize, build hierarchy, accumulate power, and claim divine authority over other human beings, you own the outcomes. All of them. The scripture you cite as the standard is the same scripture the institution used to justify the conduct you are trying to disown. You cannot hand a text to an institution for twenty centuries and then blame the institution for reading it.

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist So you cant answer the question lol, just say that…

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist You need objective evidence to understand good and bad? What kind a question is that even

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist Brother i asked you a question regarding your response??

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist I didn't say that.

@Galactic_1225 @Lilith_Atheist I think you missed the part where I said specifically “this account” meaning lilith. Ill wait for that answer.

Engagement farming. That is what you are going with after conceding the original point, failing to identify a single factual error, and watching every counterargument you raised get addressed directly. The Crusades are documented. Primary sources, papal bulls, contemporaneous chronicles, centuries of academic consensus. The Inquisition kept its own records. The Vatican has them. The transatlantic slave trade has an entire field of historical scholarship behind it including the explicit theological justifications produced by the Church in real time to defend it. The institutional handling of clerical abuse has been exposed by grand jury investigations, government inquiries across multiple countries, and the Church's own internal documents produced in litigation. None of this is obscure. None of it requires a specialist. It is the standard historical record. So the evidence is the entire documented history of the institution. What you are actually asking is for someone to re-earn the right to cite history every time it becomes inconvenient for your position. As for engagement farming. You replied. Then replied again. Then conceded a point. Then replied again. Then replied again just now. If this thread is a farm, you have been the most enthusiastic worker on it.

@GunsMonoga67115 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist Based on what objective evidence?

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist Kinda. We can judge things based on our understanding.

@Galactic_1225 @Lilith_Atheist Now tell me what historical evidence has this account used to verify their claims? You must not know what engagement farming is?

Why would a profile dedicated to critiquing religion not primarily focus on the world's largest religion. Christianity has 2.4 billion adherents. It is the dominant cultural and political force across North America, South America, Europe, and Sub-Saharan Africa. It shapes legislation, controls school boards, drives Supreme Court appointments, and has spent the last two thousand years embedding itself into the architecture of Western civilization so thoroughly that people mistake its preferences for neutral defaults. You do not critique all institutions equally. You critique the ones with the most power over your immediate environment. An atheist in Tehran is going to have a lot more to say about Islam. An atheist in Tel Aviv is going to have a lot more to say about Judaism. An atheist in America is going to have a lot more to say about Christianity. Christianity is not just the most subscribed to. It is also the institution behind some of the most sustained and organized brutality in recorded human history. The Crusades were not a misunderstanding. The Inquisition was not a rogue operation. The transatlantic slave trade was blessed, justified, and administered by Christian institutions for centuries. The colonization of entire continents was carried out under the cross with the explicit theological endorsement of the Church. The systematic abuse of children across every diocese on earth was protected by institutional infrastructure for decades while leadership shuffled perpetrators and silenced victims. It is a deservedly condemnable pattern of institutional behavior that runs from the first century to the present one. An institution that size, with that reach, with that specific track record, is going to attract serious critical attention. Not because someone secretly believes it is the true religion. Because it has earned the scrutiny by what it has actually done with its power.

@Galactic_1225 @bringbackNKVD @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist You might want to look up what a biblical understanding of a “Christian” is. Yes I agree, anyone who use Christianity as a way to take advantage of someone is not a believer. Also you will not find any scripture condoning the behavior, so then is the person or God at fault?

Crazy thing that happens when you tell people to devote themselves to a higher power who can forgive them for any wrongdoing they commit. The people doing the worst things are rarely the doubters. They're the devoted. The Inquisitors weren't having a crisis of faith while they designed the rack. They were certain. Certain enough to write detailed manuals about it. Certain enough to thank God for the results. But sure, they weren't real Christians. Just like the Crusaders weren't real Christians. Just like the priests caught abusing children in every diocese on earth weren't real Christians. Just like every king who converted entire populations at swordpoint wasn't a real Christian. Remarkable how many fake Christians managed to get their hands on the institutional resources, the land, the courts, the armies, the explicit blessing of the Pope, while all the real Christians apparently stood by and watched. You built an institution with a forgiveness architecture. You told people that sincere repentance to a higher authority wipes the ledger. The Inquisitor confesses after sin. The Crusader gets his indulgence before the siege even starts. The abusive priest gets quietly moved and internally reconciled. The institution does not fail these people. It is doing exactly what a forgiveness machine does when you hand it to humans who want to cause harm and still feel clean afterward. The 'not a real Christian' defense is the oldest institutional escape hatch in existence. Every system that has ever produced a body count uses it. They were not real communists. Not real patriots. Not real believers. The wreckage is always the work of impostors. Convenient that the impostors kept getting promoted.

@Galactic_1225 @Lilith_Atheist You know what, you got me. But now that I have you, what religion would you say a majority of these posts target?

@_Big3rd_ @Lilith_Atheist Literally 5 seconds to prove you wrong

@tRumpisaped01 @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist Brother Jesus loves you. Release that pride and hatred in your heart and trust Jesus. Just to ask how many books of the bible have you read?

@_Big3rd_ @BigSkyDBG @Lilith_Atheist I read the fiction and if you believe your comment justifies anything, youre a fucking idiot.

@Digitalsniper0 @PopPunkOG1 @D_Preacher_1 So if you cant answer the question, don’t respond.

@_Big3rd_ @PopPunkOG1 @D_Preacher_1 Lol... Y'all just going round and round because there's totally no way to prove this after all.

@DMCrealDMC @Lilith_Atheist “In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Gen 1:1; Is 9:6] He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.” John 1:1-2

@Lilith_Atheist Mind boggling to me how many inconsistencies there are in the bible but people just keep spoon feeding it to one another