@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin I know that you have this inane idea that any level of suffering is morally equivalent. That's really the only thing I've been arguing against this entire time.
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@____theo___ @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin No, I just think it's wildly hypocritical to claim moral superiority without being able to say why the suffering you cause is truly morally justified.
You don't know what I do or don't do. I support ending factory farming and elminiating as much food waste as possible.
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Over time I grow more worried that veganism is mainly just an intelligence thing. It really scares me.
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin At least I'm making an effort to minimise it. You're not bothered to try so instead you operate under the inane idea that any level of suffering is morally equivalent.
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@____theo___ @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin If what I'm doing is wrong, what you're doing is also wrong. If you get to declare the suffering you cause isn't wrong then what's even the point in that?
Or is it just that you do less wrong therefore it's okay?
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin So essentially you know what you’re doing is wrong but you’re too lazy/weak-willed to do anything about it, so your cop out is to pretend that it’s pointless to try improve your habits because they’ll never be perfect. I understand now
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@____theo___ @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin Not particularly, I think if someone is trying to argue the damage they do is justified they're just looking to grandstand and nothing else. Existence is violent and cruel. If people want to contribute less to that they're welcome to.
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin Yes, “more” justified. I’m not calling myself a saint or anything.
Curious though. Do you disagree with that statement - causing less suffering is more justified?
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin Forgot to attach the tweet x.com/____theo___/st…
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin I never made any grand claims about myself or my actions. Again you present a false binary. Suffering, no suffering. Justified, unjustified. Causing *less* suffering is *more* justified than causing more unnecessary suffering.
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin You are chatting utter shit pal. This is the only time I used the word “justified” and it was specifically to say that “justified” and “unjustified” is a false binary.
So now are you going to stop making things up about me and instead argue the actual issue?
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin Well I imagine there is some baseline of necessary suffering that everyone causes in order to survive.
Show me where I declared that what I do is fine. You keep making things up about me
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@____theo___ @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin Why is the suffering you cause something you're allowed to consider necessary though? Why is it that you get to declare what you do is fine but when others say where they draw the line is different, they are wrong?
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@____theo___ @lul_dupe @morallawwithin I value all life and understand that they need to die for me to survive. It is part of life after all.
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin Some of it is, some of it isn't. I don't know why you've constructed this uber-sanctimonious caricature of me.
Now instead of you just trying to catch me out can we get back to discussing the actual issue?
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@____theo___ @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin The concept of unnecessary suffering implies necessary suffering
You cause suffering, is it necessary?
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin More words in my mouth. Where did I say that?
I don’t know why this is so hard to grasp. If I cause X amount of suffering but don’t eat meat. Then that’s better than someone causing X amount of suffering and Y amount of suffering from eating meat. X < X + Y. Get it?
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@TJSD4E @lul_dupe @morallawwithin Not inherently, no. Are you gonna make a point or just continue these obvious statements?
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin I never made any grand claims about myself or my actions. Again you present a false binary. Suffering, no suffering. Justified, unjustified. Causing *less* suffering is *more* justified than causing more unnecessary suffering.
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@____theo___ @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin But you are still saying "the amount of suffering I cause is fine and justified"
You don't get to just declare you are correct and better, had they a voice all the animals you've caused the death of would have wanted to live too.
Life is cruel by virtue of its existence.
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@lulzfooty99 @mekziikana @2tricks @LFCHadouken We already established that you’re liar, you’re not interested in actual discussion you’re just a troll. Why would I hide from you?x.com/____theo___/st…
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@lulzfooty99 @2tricks @mekziikana @LFCHadouken So you lied about what your expectations are. End of our conversations unfortunately. Have a nice life.
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@TJSD4E @lul_dupe @morallawwithin No thanks. I draw the line at sentience, I think that’s the relevant factor
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@Europason @deadend_king Considering the white guy was deliberately wasting time by kicking the ball away, why would they do all that? Ref made the right decision. Yellow card for time wasting.
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@deadend_king Did his team mates refuse to play after this, did the supporters leave the stadium? Ethnic European Peoples problems are our own fault. What the clips shows is a symptom of our illness.
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I found it. The perfect representation in a way everyone can understand and couldn’t possible disagree with.
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@lul_dupe @morallawwithin Because you ought not to cause unnecessary harm and cruelty to animals
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@morallawwithin So since ur so intelligent and a PHD student can you please give just ONE argument as to why ALL humans OUGHT not eat meat.
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@Stephen_Fremel @benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin “To be human is to cause suffering”, but instead of trying to minimise such suffering you just throw your hands up and absolve yourself of any moral responsibility, as if there’s no concept of “more suffering” or “less suffering”
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@benumido @babot0ng @morallawwithin Like it or not you are complicit in the exact same thing, you don't get to claim moral superiority. How many rodents and whatnot do you think get killed by the machinery that farms your food?
To be human is to cause suffering, you don't tell people where they draw their line.
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@babot0ng @morallawwithin Next time you should cut all the pseudo philosophical waffle in the other tweets and just go straight to this part, it’s the only argument against veganism that really holds up
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@NeonTrees_thfc @morallawwithin Nobody said every sentient being is equal
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@morallawwithin can you guarantee you haven't murdered any bugs since every sentient being is equal killing bugs should be equal to killing humans for you
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@jojo_1_2_ @nikicaga That's not the only thing that determines overall club size. Also do you mean local or international because having more fans from Mumbai or Dallas etc means absolutely nothing
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@____theo___ @nikicaga Loserpool don’t have a bigger fan base than arsenal
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Ngl this is shocking to me
You'd really expect Man City to be hated and everyone but Arsenal's London rivals wanting Arsenal to win
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