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rucknium introduced Google's Quantum AI research on optimized Shor's algorithm circuits for ECDLP-256 (≈20-fold reduction in physical qubits), prompting discussion on accelerated urgency for Monero's post-quantum transition post-FCMP++; participants advocated prioritizing a complete PQ protocol design (building on tevador's PQ key-exchange work) and potentially contracting dedicated research teams, with post-quantum issues added to the next meeting agenda. rucknium: research.google/blog/safeguard… rucknium: quantumai.google/static/site-as… rucknium: Before the meeting, semisimple suggested a discussion, at some unspecified time, about Google's new lower estimates for breaking the discrete log problem. rucknium: Maybe people want to discuss a little now or we can agree to put it on the agenda next meeting. I don't know if there is a lot more to say than has already been said except for post-quantum is closer than expected. rucknium: Some discussion on the MRL GitHub repo: Discussion: Post-quantum security and ethical considerations over elliptic curve cryptography (github.com/monero-project…). articmine: This is making the case for the acceleration of the post quantum issue. rucknium: > Specifically, we have compiled two quantum circuits (a sequence of quantum gates) that implement Shor's algorithm for ECDLP-256: one that uses less than 1,200 logical qubits and 90 million Toffoli gates and one that uses less than 1,450 logical qubits and 70 million Toffoli gates. We estimate that these circuits can be executed on a superconducting qubit CRQC with fewer than 500,000 physical qubits in a few minutes, given standard assumptions about hardware capabilities that are consistent with some of Google™'s flagship quantum processors. rucknium: > This is an approximately 20-fold reduction in the number of physical qubits required to solve ECDLP-256 and a continuation of a long history of gradual optimization in compiling quantum algorithms to fault-tolerant circuits. rucknium: I don't know how to interpret that or how many widgets can be stabilized for how long and in what timeline. vtnerd: They've still got to build a working prototype that does it, which is sort of the frustration in knowing when/if/maybe never jberman: After all FCMP++ / Carrot research tasks are complete, I'd advocate for a strong concerted effort on designing a complete PQ protocol. tevador has already begun on a PQ key exchange protocol here: github.com/monero-project… jberman: I think it may be worth contracting a research team on a full-time basis for that work rbrunner: As I see it, that's more or less the only "wiggle room" we realistically have: No more "conventional" improvements after the FCMP++, but directly onwards to PQ resilience rbrunner: *after the FCMP++ hardfork rbrunner: Maybe that proposal will be able to get "loose consensus" in the light of this Google paper ... rucknium: Should post-quantum issues be put on next week's agenda? rbrunner: I would give it a "why not" :) articmine: Yes syntheticbird: Yes rucknium: I will put it on the agenda. rbrunner: Getting a research team maybe just got a lot more difficult, if many more parties will take it seriously. rucknium: Or easier, because Monero can build on others' work :) rbrunner: "Dear Quantum researcher, don't work for Google, don't work at a world-class university, don't work for IBM, and so ... your place is at the side of the Monero team!" rbrunner: Well, we need post-quantum crypto researchers, but still articmine: rbrunner: The question is what other chains are taking this issue seriously. articmine: Starting with chains with a greater market cap than Monero #c665187" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">libera.monerologs.net/monero-researc…

#Cardano Whale Swaps 940,000 $ADA for 4.14M #NIGHT as Midnight Mainnet Goes Live. Following the transaction, the wallet now holds 4.43 million NIGHT. The transaction is already causing mixed reactions in the Cardano community, with some favoring the switch and others opposing it. Midnight went live on the mainnet on Monday, ushering in the fourth-generation blockchain architecture to the crypto space.