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@hypergraphing @_rbtsv @LukasHozda @_bravit Certainly: they are not annoying. Also, if you want a parenless syntax in Lisp, you can have it easily.

@_rbtsv @LukasHozda @_bravit I wonder if the brackets are less annoying than if err != nil?

Crazy lmao

@transitracer Why “advising” rather than “redefining”?

Я в целом не особо совместим с капитализмом. Чтобы быть совместимым, надо делать то, чего люди хотят (хотят достаточно сильно); я же немало лет приоритизирую то, что сам считаю важным.

@yutongwu111140 Maybe it's time to move on to Common Lisp.

I got expelled from the C++ community for using two-space indentation, putting if on the same line, and using macros

@leomeoweth @tiensonqin @logseq Yes. Not everyone's sessions are that long but still, there's little reason to terminate a session. That's a different modus operandi. Note that such an “app” can be loaded into Emacs at any time, without restarting. And modified, too.

@akater @tiensonqin @logseq omg, it’s a big amount of time i guess it’s because of custom emacs apps, right?

Happy to be back! #Markdown #TwoWaySync

@leomeoweth @tiensonqin @logseq Normally, my Emacs session lasts several months or weeks (as long as my living conditions allow, basically). This is not terribly unusual for Emacs users. I think that might explain quickly why some people prefer Emacs over Neovim.

@akater @tiensonqin @logseq it depends on task, why? i’m using nix rn, so i guess most of the time i only use it to change only a few things in my conf and that’s it. but nvim is actually extremely fast to do those types of stuff

@ZolotoyEveryday Эта картинка говорит, что πr² < 4r². Поэтому она даёт оценку π < 4. Но она не даёт оценку π > 3. Во всяком случае, я её не вижу. А вы видите?

мне было сегодня лет, когда я визуально представила формулу площади круга. даже в моей физмат школе некоторые формулы нам просто давали, не объясняя, а мы запоминали, не думая

@msimoni ? There is no difference. For a hashtable, the equality predicate for keys must be provided. You can't provide such for arbitrary objects.

@akater What's the difference to a hashtable?

One of the biggest differences between the Lisp and Unix traditions is that in Lisp a name may contain any characters whatsoever without restrictions (you can even have a name that's the empty string), whereas in Unix you always have massive restrictions on the characters you can put into a name, and those restrictions explode combinatorially if you need to bridge multiple namespaces. Sad! Even Lisp could be improved though by allowing arbitrary objects as names, and not just strings. Why shouldn't you be able to use a picture or a structured datum as a name?

@leomeoweth @tiensonqin @logseq How long is your average Neovim session?

@tiensonqin @logseq still have no clue why someone prefers emacs over (neo)vim… not trying to offend, just curious about emacs benefits over vim

@almighty_lisp Is Emacs, people define configuration varibles in their init. (There's a `custom` feature for most vars, but no matter.) They expect those to NOT be reinitialized when an Elisp library is loaded.

@almighty_lisp Sure, I never meant “by accident”. A user might want to define variables in advance. That's not going to happen by accident. Again, just look at Emacs Lisp (which has no packages but that is not terribly important here).

COMMON LISP BROS WHAT IS THE VALUE OF DEFVAR OVER DEFPARAMETER?

@almighty_lisp “One package per file” is a terrible restriction uncharacteristic for Lisp; still, even if someone goes with that for some reason, a user can nevertheless define a package early, in a compatible way, and initialize the variable to whatever value the user wants.

@akater IN A ONE-PACKAGE-PER-FILE SYSTEM IT IS UNLIKELY THAT YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT RUNNING INTO AN ALREADY-DEFINED VARIABLE BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN IN A MOTHER-OF-ALL PACKAGE SYSTEM THAT COULD EXPLAIN MY CONFUSION

@almighty_lisp When I define a valiable I can't be sure it won't be defined already at the time this particular code runs. This is why I always start with defvar, and use defparameter in special cases only; and they better get non-special with time.

@akater WHY DO YOU OFTEN WANT THE BEHAVIOR OF DEFVAR RATHER THAN DEFPARAMETER?

@msimoni …not just “complicated”; that's a relavtively minor issue. It becomes straightforwardly ill-defined. Equality for each “structured object” has to be defined individually. There is no universal definition thereof.

@msimoni > Why shouldn't you be able to use a picture or a structured datum as a name? 1. Why can't you dump those in a Common Lisp compiled file? (The techincal term is “externalizable object”.) 2. Name equality becomes complicated for no good reason.

@wegfawefgawefg @_saagarjha Calling arbitrary things “Lisp” is a popular pastime.

@_saagarjha id like to interject. this doesnt make any sense. js is c family syntax on a vm. that doesnt make it a lisp. python and js are both c family languages on a vm, extremely similar. same as java and lua. haskell is not a lisp. this doesnt even make sense

I will not be taking questions at this time.

@ibuildthecloud You're not the only one with this opinion. To me, the aversion to sexp syntax is the most baffling aspect of programming culture. It's a mystery I do not expect to be resolved in foreseeable future.

The readability of lisp syntax just seems low. Is it just me?

@SandyofCthulhu I was 12 when I saw The Phantom Menace (in the theater). Watched OT on VHS soon. Some years later, I saw Attack of the Clones in the theater. I was shocked to see Yoda lightsaber fight, and didn't bother watching Revenge of the Sith in theater later.

Compare to The Mummy released the same year. We discussed that for weeks over lunch. But we, nerds, geeks, and fans, agreed quietly to pretend the Phantom Menace never existed. That’s how bad we took it. When Attack of the Clones was coming out, we did not show the trailer on our tv screens. What was your experience? 3/3

@Neko_Tet There are several package managers (three, at least). Packaging software in any of them requires certain expertise. It should be done by package maintainers. I think their efforts are currently underappreciated.