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Rob H

@arob505

"Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest." -Mark Twain

Albuquerque, NM Katılım Temmuz 2009
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Stephen Moore
Stephen Moore@StephenMoore·
California wants $137.5 BILLION in federal Medicaid funds, more than the entire budget of Florida. Gavin Newsom is pushing a 15% spending surge while the rest of the country foots the bill. This is a taxpayer bailout!
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @WheelLofter @StephenMoore It was a weird point sure, but I am saying maybe FL should spend more on schools. Comparing budgets to health care spending should be put in context. Here's my point (again), the cost of everything is higher in CA, including health care. It can't possibly be all fraud.
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Deepak Munjal
Deepak Munjal@dmunjal·
@arob505 @WheelLofter @StephenMoore For a guy who says he's not defending CA, you seem to be keep defending CA. The cost of living in CA is not 50% more than FL. What do schools have to do with anything? That's an entirely different topic where CA school spending continues to increase despite fewer students.
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@WheelLofter @dmunjal @StephenMoore Then you should know the cost of living is higher in CA which includes health care costs. CA is saying the costs and the population require more funding than Florida does. Also Florida spends less per capita on schools than CA does so the budget comparison is not valid.
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Wheel Lofter 🇺🇸
Wheel Lofter 🇺🇸@WheelLofter·
@arob505 @dmunjal @StephenMoore Florida’s population is approximately 60% of our own. Its rate of elderly is greater. The idea we need more reimbursement than their entire budget is ridiculous and that’s coming from someone who’s lived here for 56 years.
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore Sure I'm down for going after fraud where it exists, and I have no special love or concern for CA. The funding for Medicaid should go to those who need it. If it takes a fraud investigation for that to happen so be it. But that's not what the OP was arguing.
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Deepak Munjal
Deepak Munjal@dmunjal·
@arob505 @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore I will always call out any fraud. You have shown that the DOJ is acting in Florida already. Now, let's focus on the largest one by far. The only right answer from you should be "Yes, let's go after California since they are the largest."
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@lilgoomba911 @StephenMoore And California residents are the recipients of the Medicaid services. So Californians pay more for taxes than California Medicaid recipients get in benefits.
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore The op compared the request to the budget of Florida. You brought up fraud. The biggest fraud case in the US was in Florida. The DOJ currently has 60 cases from Florida. But you don't call FL out? This shouldn't be partisan. Fraud is bad, costs are too high. We all agree.
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Deepak Munjal
Deepak Munjal@dmunjal·
@arob505 @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore Why do you keep bringing up Florida? You have my full support of going after all the fraud in all 50 states. But California is the biggest and the worst by far so let's go after it first. You keep distracting from this obvious point.
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore What exactly are you trying to argue here? CA's budget request is too much? I can understand why you would say that but I am arguing that request in and of itself is not fraud. You seem to be going out of your way to say it is. That's your opinion but I can't concurr.
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Deepak Munjal
Deepak Munjal@dmunjal·
@arob505 @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore Where did population increase in California justifying a a Medicaid budget that doubled in five years? California spends 50% more per enrollee than Florida. Spending per Enrollee: Florida: $7,611 California: $10,067
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Floplag
Floplag@floplag·
@arob505 @StephenMoore Sorry but this is nonsense, the amount of fraud exposed so far is massive, that needs to get sorted out first... and thats before we get to CA ignoring federal law but asking for a handout?
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore Sure, I get why you would ask that but that proposed budget matches the increase in health care costs in general in the US. A large population and increased costs mean a bigger budget request. Look I can't always defend state governments, but the debate should not be political.
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@jamesmdowns @StephenMoore It also has ~ 25% of the billionaires in the US and a GDP that is about 1.4 times bigger than the state of Texas's GDP so your "Deadbeat" comment is pretty off-point. To be clear, I wouldn't want to live there so don't take this a defense of the State in general.
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JD
JD@jamesmdowns·
@arob505 @StephenMoore California has 12% of the US population but 34% of its welfare cases! Deadbeat state!
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @BlockChainOC @StephenMoore Again...the size of CA means they will have more Medicaid funding even if every single bit of fraud was eliminated. That's just the math behind it. There is literally no other way it could be. Health care costs are through the roof. That's the issue.
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@BlockChainOC @dmunjal @StephenMoore Ah, you are taking my response as a defense of CA. Not really... I'm arguing the stats the OP are posting are out of context and should not be used to make the argument either of your are making.
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BlockChain
BlockChain@BlockChainOC·
Wait, are you defending California? -homelessness (1 out of 50) -poverty (1 out of 50) -Retail crime (1 out of 50) -gas prices (1 out of 50) -illiteracy (1 out of 50) -wage stagnation (1 out of 50) -frivolous lawsuits (1 out of 50) -unemployment (3 out of 50) -housing costs (2 out of 50) -water bills (2 out of 50) -restrictions on workers (1 out of 50) -Anti-business regulations (1 out of 50) -energy/electricity costs (3 out of 50) -inequality (3 out of 50) -income tax (1 out of 50) -gas tax (1 out of 50) -budget deficit (1 out of 50) -road disrepair (3 out of 50) -educational inequity (2 out of 50) -COVID school shutdowns (1 out out of 50) -COVID business shutdowns (1 out of 50) -COVID mandates (1 out of 50) -illegal border crossings (1 out of 50) -funding for illegal immigrants (1 out of 50) -People leaving state (1 out of 50)
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BlockChain
BlockChain@BlockChainOC·
@arob505 @StephenMoore Ok, so it’s a wash…the days of California being a “net giver” are bs. And stand by with the fraud investigations in case you’re one of those people defending the corrupt state.
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@RobertHamberge2 @StephenMoore What do Medicaid funds have to do with a larger population? Odd question. Medicaid funds are given to states to cover individual health care. So bigger states get more total dollars, obviously. And only citizens are eligible for Medicaid. That's a talking point.
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Robert Hamberger
Robert Hamberger@RobertHamberge2·
@arob505 @StephenMoore Sorry, but your response excludes one thing, complete mismanagement, complete fraud that has nothing to do with a larger population. What does have to do with a larger population? Is the ridiculous allowance of illegal aliens. Who need this aid screw california
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Mr. Beat
Mr. Beat@beatmastermatt·
OMG HOLY CRAP ARE YOU TELLING ME TARIFFS MADE THINGS MORE EXPENSIVE IT'S ALMOST AS IF WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ECONOMISTS OH WELL
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Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @StephenMoore That case, btw, was the biggest fraud scheme charged by the DOJ. They are clearly going after fraud. And by your words, its people committing fraud, not CA. The issue is there are millions of citizens who rely on Medicaid funds. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
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Deepak Munjal
Deepak Munjal@dmunjal·
@arob505 @StephenMoore I want to go after Florida too. And Texas. But even your post is tiny compared to what is happening in California let alone Minnesota. Why don't you want to go after Medicaid fraud in California?
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Rob H
Rob H@arob505·
@dmunjal @StephenMoore Feels like you are missing my point. The OP is a partisan tweet that conflates/confuses issues. Also, to use your language, if we want to go after the biggest abusers of fraud, this amount is bigger than the increase in spending CA requested. justice.gov/archives/opa/p…
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Deepak Munjal
Deepak Munjal@dmunjal·
@arob505 @StephenMoore You seem to have missed all the fraud that is taking place in the various Medicaid programs. You don't think the CA gov gets some benefit out of this fraud through donations and kickbacks?
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