Emre

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Emre

Emre

@bizzikostappen

medipol tıp

Katılım Şubat 2016
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Emre
Emre@bizzikostappen·
@aykutuz @MattZirwas That’s correct, i thought everyone had automatic translation like Rosetta stone…
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Aykut Uz@aykutuz·
@MattZirwas @bizzikostappen He says there maybe truth in what you(I) say but we need to see first if this is hype or not ; and foremost of all if it can remove the need of biopsy. and I nodded.
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Matthew Zirwas, MD
Matthew Zirwas, MD@MattZirwas·
I was wrong about the Midjourney ultra-sound scanner. Well, maybe not wrong, but at a minimum I missed something obvious because I was thinking like a doctor who's been practicing for 25 years. And I didn't explain my point well. First, where I was wrong: All historical precendent that showed that widespread screening imaging is net neutral or harmful was imaging that was expensive, inconvenient, gated by physicians and couldn't practically be repeated frequently short term. If the Midjourney ultrasound is high resolution, harmless, inexpensive and convenient, people can get an initial scan, then if there are abnormalities concerning for cancer, they can get weekly follow up scans to see if it's growing/changing, and if it's not, they can leave it alone. In retrospect, that is obvious but it never occurred to me. Now, you'd assume that that approach would have to lead to it being useful and saving lives, and it probably will. But we won't really know it does until we have a couple years of data. Lots of things that seem obvious in medicine end up being wrong once we collect data. Second, what I didn't explain well: It's not that I think non-doctors are 'too dumb' to use the results effectively. Its that historically it was literally impossible to use the results effectively, and that is super, super counterintuitive. It seems obvious that finding stuff early is beneficial, but experience has shown that it isn't. Here's why: The vast majority of abnormalities (i.e. possible cancer) isn't cancer - like over 90% of them, ends up being harmless - something thay your body could have handled on it's own. But the only way to find out was to have invasive, risky procedures to biopsy or remove what was found. And overall, the side effects from all the risky, invasive procedures to track down the over 90% of stuff that was harmless equal or outweigh the benefit from removing the less than 10% of stuff that wasn't harmless. If the MIdjourney device can be repeated frequently, like weekly, at a low cost and is harmless, it could negate the need for the risky, invasive procedures. Not saying it will, but it seems like it could and I confidently posted yesterday that it was a bad idea. I was wrong to confidently post that.
Matthew Zirwas, MD@MattZirwas

I usually agree with Dr. Locasale. But not on this. A $100 full-body ultrasound on asymptomatic people, sold as a wellness service, will open a massive can of financial worms for individuals. You’ll pay around $100 for the scan, there’s a 90% chance they find something you’ll worry about, your insurance won’t cover the expensive follow-up they recommend, so you’ll be deciding whether to spend thousands to relieve anxiety about something with a 98% chance of being nothing. How’d I get there? Enough screening full body MRIs have been done to give us a good idea of the size of the can and what’ll be in it. Roughly 90% of asymptomatic people who get a screening full body MRI have an abnormality. We have decades of diagnostic imaging with millions and millions of followed-up findings that allow 2/3 of those to be classified as incidental findings that definitely don’t need further work up. Of the roughly 1/3 they can’t be sure about, after work up, 10% of them (4% of people who got a scan) end up with something important, and about 1.5% of people have a cancer detected. And the existing evidence says finding those lesions doesn’t improve overall mortality. I know that’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Look up Korean thyroid ultrasounds or German melanoma screening. Now extend it to a modality we have no baseline data on follow-up of lesions. Midjourney has been explicit that the early scans train the model and diagnostic accuracy comes later. For the first year or two, it’s reasonable to say 90% of people who get a scan will have an abnormality they can’t rule out as concerning, and it’ll be up to the individual to pay to train Midjourney’s model. Insurance probably won’t cover the follow-up scan or biopsy with an established modality, because there’s no evidence saying it needs follow-up. So 90% of people who get scanned will be worried and facing the decision of whether to pay out of pocket for the expensive follow-up. A small percentage of those will have side effects and complications from the follow-up testing. And remember, 98% of the findings are nothing. You can argue affluent people could get one, chase down all the abnormals, then repeat a scam (sorry, meant scan) every 3 months to look for changes. But that just leads to over-diagnosis with no mortality benefit. So, rich people get scanned every 3 months with subsequent overtesting and overdiagnosis, normal people get anxious over things that are 98% likely to be fine, nobody has a survival benefit and Midjourney gets their model trained for free. I wonder who’s coming out ahead here?

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NoContextGALA
NoContextGALA@NoContextGSaray·
TFF Başkanı Fatih Terim Milli Takım Teknik Direktörü Arda Turan olsun diyenleri görelim sayımızı bilelim!
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Emre
Emre@bizzikostappen·
@GsGazete Ah eşek gsliler ah dedik bunları hep ortalıkta övmeyin hocayı dedik
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Galatasaray Gazetesi@GsGazete·
🗣 Serdar Ali Çelikler: "Okan Buruk, A Milli Takıma cuk oturur." (NEO Spor)
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@haskologlu Taktiklerimiz belli olmasın diye böyle video saldık, büyük resmi görün
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ibrahim Haskoloğlu
ibrahim Haskoloğlu@haskologlu·
Türkiye ve Güney Kore milli takım resmi hesaplarının turnuvada paylaşmış olduğu videolar gündem oldu.
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@jupiteryenn1 Baba istediğin kadar astroloji kas çalışmayan adama kim yardım etsin
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saint süleyman'ın büyük iskoçyalısı
iran milli takımının üzerine bombalar yağarken çalıştığı serbest vuruş organizasyonuna bak bir de bizim santraforsuz takımda dağa taşa orta açan eşeklere bak.
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@cace_v2 İrfan hocam ondan kaliteli
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@nazv2m One shot freestyle versiyonu var mı
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n✶z #DOZAJ
n✶z #DOZAJ@nazv2m·
bye dinlerken bizim böceklik
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@ghitdrog Akdenizli özelliği
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@TMLutas @MattZirwas Tech hasnt emerged fully yes but intending to use it as body scales and saying mass monitoring is just a side effect is just a huge overkill of money and potential. And I think it’s deceptive. It is like taking a cab instead of 2 minute walk
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TMLutas@TMLutas·
@bizzikostappen @MattZirwas Body scales are better than a BMI chart. This is better still. At what point is it a good thing to turn on someone offering better still? I expect that there will be multiple use cases for this scan, some of which have yet to emerge.
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Emre
Emre@bizzikostappen·
@nbabaronu Gördüğüm en mantıklı yorum
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Nehir
Nehir@nbabaronu·
Daha büyük hayalkırıklığı yaşamadan istediğiniz hayata göre tembel olduğunuzu erkenden kabullenin bence. Ülkenin durumu belli istediğiniz kadar cömert olan ve iyi kazancı olan adamlar herkese yetecek kadar değil.
Ays@Aysderlerse

Kızlar itiraf ediyorum ben kendi ayaklarım üzerinde durmaktan sıkıldım yaa Allah gelecekteki eşime helalinden bol bereketli kazanç versin inşAllah benim çalışmama gerek kalmasın. Çalışma hayatı kadın fıtratına gerçekten aykırı ve zor bunu bi kabul edelim

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TMLutas@TMLutas·
@bizzikostappen @MattZirwas The scans will be done weekly primarily to measure how much muscle loss is accompanying your weight loss. The mass monitoring is a side effect.
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@aykutuz @MattZirwas Hocam öncelikle ikimiz de Türk’üz niye İng yazıyorsunuz? Çeviri özelliği var. Dediklerinizde haklılık payı olabilir ama ai biyopsi ihtiyacını ortadan kaldırırsa anca dediğiniz kadar etkili olur. Guideline’lar her zaman değişebilir ama hype’tan öte sağlam veri lazım.
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Aykut Uz@aykutuz·
“Good” for whom? Your guidelines were originally crafted in US to save the guys from their legal liability (of non-action on a suspicious nodule that later became cancer) which led to 1.”possibility of Carcinoma cannot be ruled out”-> 2. led patients to panic mode-> 3. more radiation or biopsies and cost. 4. Then docs wrote literature to substantiate “more data is bad , by the look of it” to shift the blame to data 5: no data; no lawsuit. It went full circle over years. In fact; what is an asset to patient(imaging) is a liability to US docs but regulations diffused to Turkey too since our ministry more or less historically copy FDA regulations. @MattZirwas confirms more data is in fact good ; which is common sense; but provided there is a non invasive ; meaningful, repeatable modality -which is yet to be seen and proven the MJ is a possible frontier of it -; also having AI in it; all of which are antidotes of the medical lawsuit poisoning inside the system. He kinda whispers to his pals :”There may be emerging a possible way of navigating through your legal liabilities without hurting people. Look into it” . In public. Thank you @MattZirwas . I hope i sufficiently communicated the crux and its historical context.
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@L_upic Kusura bakma dostum ülkeye bakmadım, cidden salgın hem kadın tarafında hem erkek tarafında
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elceodepampers
elceodepampers@L_upic·
En turquía tmb se la pasan viendo videos de tipos musculosos diciendo que si no miras mercados a las 5am mientras haces dominadas y puteas minas en internet no sos hombre. Mirá la boludez que pone este, flaco es fútbol no fisicoculturismo, te recomiendo grinder a vos, fabi.
Fabian@fabianhrodney

şunu kabul edelim, biz türkler genetik olarak futbol gibi artık tamamen fizik gücüne dayalı oynanan sporlara yatkın değiliz. biz kısa, çelimsiz ve hantal bir milletiz. buna ergenlikteki yetersiz beslenmenin kemik gelişimine olumsuz etkisini de eklerseniz rakiplerimizden neden+

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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@emirgitti @pablittonuz kanka o senin yorumun ben sadece bi örnek verdim, silahla hastaneyi basması var daha bir sürü olayı var. Sırf Akpli diye popüler olmadı demek saçma ki Akpli mi bilmiyom
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PabIo@pablittonuz·
Akp’li olmasa TR’nin Maradonası, Messisi olurdu..
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@kambroma Valla loop her yerde ya, insanlar değişmiyor sonuçta tiktok olmasa buraya gelecek
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Senel@kambroma·
@bizzikostappen Bence twitter yine iyi, Tiktok-İnsta kadınları hayali bir loopa sokuyor.
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Senel@kambroma·
Şu hayatı 7/24 “şurada tatile mi gitsem”, “nasıl daha fazla para kazansam”, “nasıl en iyi özgür ve tek olurum” üzerinden yaşıyorlar. Aile kurmanın mantığını ve hakkını verebilen iyi mizaçlı, vefalı, güvenilir insanlara selam olsun. Bu narsist, yalnızlara antidepresan yazıyorum.
Nur@distantwildd

Bir çocuk doğduğunda erkeğin sosyal statüsü asla değişmezken kadınınki tamamen değişiyor. Herhangi bir boşanma durumunda erkek hayatına eskisi gibi devam ederken kadının hayatı artık asla eskisi gibi olmuyor. Üzgünüm çocuk sahibi olmak hiçbir şekilde akıl kârı değil.

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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@kambroma O da sosyal medya etkisi ya.Burası çok doğru bi kaynakmış gibi alınıyor haberden her şeye kadar
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Senel@kambroma·
@bizzikostappen Yani sadece ergenler böyle olsa ok dicem de yaşı 27-28 olmuş itü-boun mezunu insanlar bile sosyal medya kölesi saftirik olabiliyor. Bu yüzden bu konuyu ciddiye alıyorum. Gerçekliğe temas ediyor.
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Emre@bizzikostappen·
@kambroma kendi ne istediğini bilmeyen ama sosyal medyadan etkilenen kim varsa onları hocam sonuçta insan önce kendini bilsin öyle bağ kursun
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