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@iShowShitpost shit i should check the one i have bookmarked i aint looked in like a year

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy xd sure but my grandma needs help with somthin it may be in like an hour or so but yea we can go to dms(after i figure out how tf to do it)

@bluezyo @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy guess i got too formal on the vocabulary i meant moving to the dms

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy sure actually but im about to eat lunch ill be back in about 30 40 minutes. what format would you suggest?

@bluezyo @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy if youre still interested in the conversation i think we cooled down enough to have a civil discussion on a chat in case you also find disconfort in the reply format

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy lives to be saved that may not be saved but with the self added to the pile. as much as id love to trust that most people would rather save others. altho people tend to have a problem with either doing it to much or not enough

@bluezyo @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy i am aware red is a safer option to yourself and it does make sense to save the presser as an individual, but to someone that recognizes there are lives to be saved red becomes irrelevant since it only saves the presser and votes are secret

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy i agree completely im not even saying that the people who choose blue are wrong. im saying that red is a much safer option and(given everyone has the ability to choose) it makes sense to choose red instead of gambling your life AND the lifes you intend to save

@bluezyo @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy i am not stating "better" or "worse", but that is the core reasoning divergence between us. i also believe that there are already people who gamble their lives to save someone else and it is extremely dysfunctional for civilization to extinguish them

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy i believe it is and while i do think its fucked up for people who straight had no ability to choose. im not going to gamble my life hoping to save someone else. not with a button anyway

@DickFarquaad @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy im not asking if this outcome is reasonable (i obv agree that its worse), just asking if it is reasonable to infer that given the facts this is a logical sequence

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy interesting thought actually. while admit it sucks(exept the indesicive people fucking pick at random) that they die with blues im simply saying if you have the choice and can choose the best option would be red. not gambling on the virtue of man

@bluezyo @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy so would you say it is reasonable to infer that by picking red you perceive it to be preferable that anyone who didnt pick blue but also didnt pick red (be it because of indecision or inability) also die together with the blues?

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy its still a choice and im quite amazed more people gambled. tho that is a bit of a good sighn

@DickFarquaad @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy i also get what you are saying, it is a valid pov but not risking your own life and allowing them to die are not mutually exclusive even if to you the former is more important than the latter.

@DickFarquaad @txnoco @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy it literaly says everyone in the world has to choose

@txnoco @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy You presumed that, the example doesn’t state whether the individual is aware.

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy nothing seems to be wrong here

@bluezyo @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy tell me if this is illogical: im aware the premise does not include "neither" but by stating only red surviving means those who refused or were unable to pick either red or blue also dont survive

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy will i do believe all life has value if someone chooses to gamble it away that is literaly their own choice. im choosing life its not my problem that they didnt

@DickFarquaad @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy i havent said anything about responsibility, i admit "allowing to die" is more accurate than "kill", even still my line of reasoning is based on the fact that at least one irrational actor will pick blue and i dont believe they should be allowed to die

@DickFarquaad @txnoco @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy you know weirdly i didnt even think about this but blue just straight is gambling there own lives the reds arent at fault at all cause blues made their choice. i didnt even think about that wtf

@txnoco @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy But you don’t kill anyone - that’s not a factor. Anyone voting blue is opting to maybe kill themselves, the responsibility is their own. Why should red be held responsible for the choices of blue? That line of thinking is flawed.

@DickFarquaad @txnoco @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy is there someway we can do some sort of discord or other platform where yall can talk cause typing is a little to slow and i wanna hear what this soy boy sounds like

@txnoco @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy Wrong. The options presented are “Red” or “Blue, potentially die if not enough other people vote blue”. It’s pointless virtue signalling. How are you this stupid? Let’s change it to the outcomes: - Live Or - Potentially kill yourself. Pick an option.

@DickFarquaad @txnoco @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy idk why he still doesnt get it

@txnoco @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy Genocide would mean blue don’t also have the choice to survive with no consequences, which they do. Red isn’t: - Survive - Kill blue It’s just “Survive” Blue is a pointless gamble: - Survive IF: — Enough people also vote blue.

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy its not that its basicly just that everyone should have just picked red because its the least amount of risk involved to the self

@DickFarquaad @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy then i am assuming that in your view anyone incapable of identifying a risk of death should die?

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy actually you could debate that. plus all i said that this is literaly one of the few situations where selfishness is the best option. i get where your coming from but based on the prompt all everyone had to do was be selfish and nobody dies

@bluezyo @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy the description of majority blue is everyone survives. red is not the only choice that doesnt kill people, it is the only choice that doesnt kill who pressed red. if everyone only thought about themselves civilization would not have been neither built nor mantained

@DickFarquaad @txnoco @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy 6 words he still wont understand

@txnoco @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy Because that risks death. Red doesn’t.

@txnoco @DickFarquaad @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy this has a bit of a problem red - the self is exspandable to everyone red is literaly the only choice that doesnt kill people the only problem are the people thinking about everyone instead of themselves

@DickFarquaad @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy it refers to death and the red button, they are not mutually exclusive. i am not the one proposing the dilemma. inferring every person can do the same means (consciously or not) you do not consider irrational actors as people. using only the word live red - you blue - everyone

@DickFarquaad @txnoco @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy it literaly takes 20 seconds of thought to understand this idk why the other guy dosnt get it

@txnoco @bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy Because you are an idiot. That second factor also says “If less than half push this, you will die”. Red doesn’t have that, it’s just “Push this and live”. “Push this and live” Or “push this and potentially die” It’s not hard to understand. It’s safety or potential suicide.

@taha_fury @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy thats the funny part this is one of the few sinerios where if everyone is selfish everyone is fine. i think theres a term in game theory for somthing like this. but yea if red is the only real option

@bluezyo @FoldingNapkins @waitbutwhy the con of red is that whoever didn't press red dies, that person could be your friend, parent or sibling, by picking red you then made it more likely for blue to have less than 50% picks thus becoming an accessory to mass murder.