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@cee_tl @kqzfps Yes it should and it does in rivals. Like I’ve mentioned many times, dive is a coordination reliant play style. So at its core you need at least 1 other person that is diving simultaneously for its fullest potential

@cbas0920 @kqzfps Poke should be dive at range and once dive gets close they beat out poke. That’s how the game should work. That is legitimate balance.

Poke is broken. Nerf poke. Buff handless melee dive heroes please!!! Dive has been meta since the game came out. Just because you have no idea how to play the game nor how the game is played at a high level doesn’t change that fact. Melee players are crybabies that want no one other than them to be playing the game. You don’t want to be able to COMPETE vs far range heroes you want your MELEE heroes to have access to EVERYTHING, mobility, survivability, one shot potential, and being able to close 60 meter gaps in a second, all while being basically impossible to shoot at without having really good aim and landing insanely good shots on some heroes like Spider-Man and Ironfist. It’s insane to me how DD players have the audacity to complain about getting shot from afar when you literally have wallhacks and can avoid anyone shooting you if you have 3 functioning braincells. Most maps are designed with melee in mind and are very easy to traverse without getting shot at. If you are walking main and getting poked out before you dive that’s a pathing and a skill issue. You people are bad at the game. Stop complaining about your heroes that are made to be accessible by the average person first picking up a video game whilst still being viable and in dd’s case broken and get better.

@cee_tl @kqzfps All you need is 3 dive heroes. And just calling out either one of the poke characters yall are going to dive. I mean this is legit the basics of what dive is lmao

@cbas0920 @kqzfps If you can legitimately sit here and tell me, I need a full coordinated dive team to counter two poke DPS you are legitimately insane

@cee_tl @kqzfps Thing is… you don’t need a full dive team. Play spidey, dd; magik, venom; cap, iron fist; any variation in between. You don’t need a full team but at least 1 other person to dive w you. Which is how it fundamentally should work

@cbas0920 @kqzfps No, you’re not getting it. You shouldn’t need a full a FULL dive team to make a play style work. That is fundamentally not even how the game works. That shouldn’t be needed as a FULL poke team isn’t need to make that play style work and you’ve admitted that. that’s not balance

@cee_tl @kqzfps How is a team losing value by spidey getting a 1st pick by just pulling someone of the map? Or by going for a combo that leaves a healer 1 hp for someone in the team to clean up, or how he requires the full attention of at least 2 ppl in the team to deny his value?

@cbas0920 @kqzfps That’s not a good dive that’s not an example of a bad design dive because tho Spider-Man works good without a team. The team doesn’t do good without Spider-Man and that’s why I said even though your Spider-Man might be doing good you are inherently losing value.

@cee_tl @kqzfps Therefore providing another example of a good solo dive hero lol

@cbas0920 @kqzfps I said Spidey works as a solo because he separates himself from the team with pulls pulling in (displacement and pulling off map ) not because he’s broken unlike daredevil I’m sorry you don’t understand nuance.

@cee_tl @kqzfps You need a coordinated brawl/peel team to play against this kind of comp and that’s how it should be. Problem is you won’t always get that in ranked and that’s not a character problem but a player/community problem

@cbas0920 @kqzfps no if you’re gonna be balanced then a coordinated poke team and a coordinated dive team balance out that’s what balance would be but that’s not what it is. You need a coordinated dive team to beat a “poke” team most people are not coordinating there just playing solo with randoms

@cee_tl @kqzfps You are still not getting it. Dive FUNDAMENTALLY requires team coordination. Your mistake is expecting that from randoms in ranked. Same thing happens when a full dive team is beating a poke team in comp. Not everytime people will swap to counters like Bucky, thing, groot.

@itsjonathandude @necros_ow So you’re saying spider-man is gigachad busted and needs to be nerfed as well since he has a 10% pr and over 50% wr

@cbas0920 @necros_ow so poke is good on its own? mind you, you do know that the winrate is skewed at a 4-5 % pick rate whereas at an almost 10% pickrate in a category of 30 options and a 50%+ winrate clearly shows dominance

Ok let's review the season 7 patch, we got: 1. THREE BANS IN RANKED (FINALLY!!) 2. 20% global ult charge nerf 3. buffs to a lot of struggling characters (BP omindirectional dash and double jump QoL, Blade massive changes, Magik dash hitbox doubled in size, Torch huge ammo buff with more on the way in 7.5) 4. decent nerfs to a lot the more oppressive characters (Elsa gets punished a lot harder for dying by losing stacks, still a bit too strong tho. Gambit ult down to 8 seconds, with some minor nerfs to movement speed and the ult generation buffs he provides) Overall, I think this is a pretty good patch. It'll be a pretty refreshing meta, thanks to more player agency through bans and the other buffs/nerfs I mentioned. I hope we get more patches like this, it's definitely a step in the right direction. W Zhiyong.

@cee_tl @kqzfps You just mentioned spidey is another that works as solo dive lol. You’re just tripping over yourself now brother.

@cbas0920 @kqzfps Also, yes, you’re right the DD nerf was necessary that’s it and they may have gutted them to be honest that was the only dive the one singular dive that was a problem really proves you’re point huh ?

@cee_tl @kqzfps Same applies to poke characters, unless you are good with the character and have great aim, you will still lose the game. So what we have here is a pretty balanced state where coordinated dive beats poke, as it should be.

@cbas0920 @kqzfps High comp isn’t reflective of normal games. average people trying to emulate high-level play is how you end up with these high pick rates and low wind rates. I’ve already explained this. yes, dive with a coordinated team is good too bad you’re stuck with randoms.

@era_n9 @salmoona_ My b gang

@cbas0920 @salmoona_ i was not talking to you

WHY ARE THE EMERGENCY PATCH NOTES ALWAYS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE LAUNCH ONES 😭😭😭MB ZHIYONG YOU'RE THE GOAT BRO THESE BP BUFFS ARE ACTUALLY PEAAAAAAK

@Whatawaste6969 @kqzfps “Most int” yet he has still a positive wr %. Make that make sense

@cbas0920 @kqzfps Ngl that happens way less than people using strange TP. Spiderman win rate is carried by borderline autistic people who have rammed their heads into a wall for 7 seasons labbing how to play around counter picks. He is up there in pick rates because he is engaging, but most int.

@dkmuo @kqzfps So you’re saying spider is gigachao broken since he has one of the highest pr and wr %

@cbas0920 @kqzfps Meta is pickrate not win rate. Kiriko has a neg wr doesnt mean she isnt a top 2 supp in OW. Keep the cope up.

@cee_tl @kqzfps This is why the DD nerf was necessary. If you rlly don’t see how broken dive is, just look at MRC. YWL won in NA while only dropping a single map, and they are a dive team.

@cbas0920 @kqzfps And that’s the issue you have people saying dive as always been Meta, but dive has always gotten Nerfed as a whole. Dive sucks it’s just the players/mains don’t give up which is why tho the pick rate is low for most dive win rate is high those are the mains.

@cee_tl @kqzfps You do realize that dive isn’t supposed to be good on its own right? The strength of dive comes from setting up plays w your other teammates. So a singular dive character who can consistently burst through healing, has sustain and low downtime fundamentally breaks the game.

@Whatawaste6969 @kqzfps Bro Spider-Man is literally a character ppl swap to either touch point or throw a game and yet he still has one of the highest wr and highest pick rates too. Does this mean spiderman is gigachad broken?

@cbas0920 @kqzfps Things change when you consider most of these players are 1 tricks and nobody swaps to spiderman or Magik to solve problems really. When people start losing they swap off their main hitscan to which they are less comfortable on, and sometimes lose anyways, effecting win rates.

@necros_ow I will also add that YWL the team that only lost 1 map in MRC is a dive team.

@necros_ow The reason why Elsa is so strong is due to how strong coordinated dive comps can be. I mean just look at the top dps (excluding storm) are all melee heroes

@cee_tl @kqzfps This just proves that phoenix isn’t this insta win character that dive players make her out to be. If the “randoms” are picking her and losing.

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@itsjonathandude @necros_ow You do realize that dive isn’t supposed to be good on its own right? The strength of dive comes from setting up plays w your other teammates. So play magik w a dd, or a spidey or a venom, and watch the phoenix struggle.

@cbas0920 @necros_ow damn this must be mean magik is better than elsa and phoenix 😮 nerf magik