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@chomperzz_

I'd install the cyber skeleton and slowly go cyberpsycho just to take you to the moon. But you ain't nerdy enough to understand that.

California, USA Katılım Mayıs 2020
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It's happening less and less, that's the point. The curtain continues to be pulled back for more advertisers. But when I say we're talking that doesn't mean *everybody*. There are always brands that have no idea about the space and are just looking for ways to advertise to a new audience. It might seem like common knowledge to people like us who are actively engaged with the platform over the last few years but there are a lot of people who still have no idea about gaming/twitch/streaming at large. There are also of course businesses that have an insane amount of money for marketing and don't care how or where they spend it, as long as they spend it.
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Justin Pruett@justinpruett·
@chomperzz_ @Gothalion @LiveSearchApp How are they able to acquire the bag if advertisers are talking to each other and know they are a scam? There must be some kind of information you are missing?
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Gothalion@Gothalion·
Remember long ago when I told yall botting and embedding would become an unremovable cancer on the streaming industry… like 5-6 years ago? Remember when I said we were on the cusp of the damage being irreversible? Remember when I said that to Dan Clancy face?
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@SorsTyc @Gothalion I think the average person would be shocked at how low the CTR can be even on a streamer that averages 10k+ viewers. I've seen some campaigns that get only double digit clicks with audiences of several thousands. It's just not financially responsible from a business standpoint.
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sors@SorsTyc·
@chomperzz_ @Gothalion +1 I work at a publisher and influencer spend is the lowest it's been. Cpc is non existent and the amount of bots that plague the space? Far easier to vet on yt and tt.
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This. I cant even tell you the number of "negotiations" I've gone into, and immediately left without a deal and no desire to strike one in the future. Usually because an influencer or an agent has asked for a ridiculous amount of money for no reason other than "I know my value". No faster way to immediately price yourself out of any sort of opportunity. Have to keep expectations reasonable. As marketers we have money that we WANT to spend. We just cant throw it all away on somebody because they think they are worth 10x what they really are.
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TheQuest@TheQuest818·
@Telominas They don’t advocate for the creator, they advocate for themselves. I’ve seems hundreds of times an agency makes a huge ask, minimal effort and no negotiation, just off to the next one if you don’t agree. They sign so many creators so they can just keep looking for the next sucker
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I'm not sure something like this needs to exist since the conversations are already happening behind closed doors. A list like this would almost assuredly get leaked online and be chaotic. NDA's do come into play for certain deals, but never with the explicit reason for protecting the ROI analytics in my experience. There is a reason why creators generally try to "acquire the bag" on every deal. And it's because they know there is a good chance they won't ever work with that brand again after the campaign fails to deliver in spectacular ways a lot of the time.
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Justin Pruett@justinpruett·
@chomperzz_ @Gothalion @LiveSearchApp I am thinking having a page for every streamer where advertisers can share their experience would go a long way? Do the "big" streamers usually have you sign an NDA so you can't talk about the low ROI?
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@Gothalion @AznSlickSlaya I could speak for hours about TikTok... but yeah, every platform has issues. Twitch just seems to have the most right now.
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I will say this! People in the industry absolutely talk to eachother. If somebody has a good experience with a streamer/content group, word usually gets out. If the opposite happens, the word also gets out. Companies generally know who to work with and who to avoid at this point, or they will find out quickly. Most people know you have been a champion for the authentic route of streaming. Also being a well known and established figure in the space you're more likely to continue getting deals (albeit at a lower rate, unfortunately). But unfortunately like you said, even you have been affected. Now imagine the up-and-comers and new streamers getting involved in the industry. The landscape has been obliterated before they even get a chance in a lot of ways.
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Gothalion@Gothalion·
@chomperzz_ It’s tough. I still get a good amount of work. But the rates have lowered percentage wise. It is what it is. I keep plugging away and staying honest. Called out cheaters for years and got harassed and threatened for doing so.
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@Gothalion Yep, it's here now. It's uncertain if the damage is irreversible or not, and I can only speak anecdotally to what I see in the industry (and what I'm told by respected industry peers) but it's not looking good.
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Gothalion@Gothalion·
@chomperzz_ This is the exact scenario I warned was on the horizon
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Might be time to play again
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I broke my immaculate eating habits for a One Piece Luffy Bento Box from Popeyes, and I'm not mad about it
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i really need to pick a main so i can start pushing
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Finally upgraded my 10 year old monitors to some new OLED monitors and I don't think my brain can compute how good everything looks... it's like I've been using a computer blindfolded underwater for the last decade
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Congrats to Liquid for another RWF win, but legit I want to know how bad that room smells
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I need 4 friends to make something crazy happen for Halloween this year...
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YouTube Music is serving heat today
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Where are all the M+ blasters in WoW... I need to make some new friends so I'm not stuck pugging when the squad isnt around
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Chainsaw Man is over. The ending is... something... but damn if I didn't enjoy the ride over the last few years. Glad I picked it up way back when.
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Official Cyberpunk 2077 TCG? Yeah... go ahead and take my money!
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