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@mekennns @JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Yup blocked me as well right as he proved my point for me lmao

@JohnBai02044326 @cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre lol he blocked me. he relied on emotional appeals, false equivalences and was inconsistent on his own logic of claiming morality isn't based on society's consensus or other people's opinions, yet constantly probed the other guy's personal morality. peak irony

the fact that this guy hasn’t been exposed as a creep yet is an achievement in itself

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Yes thank you! The society where she is from and most of the world decided there wasn't an imbalance with that age and she can decide for herself at 16. Was a pleasure talking!

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre you're just giving pure hindsight bias lol, you only care if it ends badly, but the power imbalance existed before the happy ending societies set age lines to protect against that imbalance regardless of how any single case turns out later judging results dodges the principle

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre THAT IS WHY I SAID CONTEXT MATTERS ND NOT EVERYTHING IS BLACK AND WHITE. OBVI IF THINGS ENDED HORRIBLY ND SHE WAS TRAUMATIZED I WOULD CARE ND ALSO CALL HIM AND HER PARENTS AWFUL. WE KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THIS SO THATS HOW WE CAN JUDGE IF WE CARE.

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre that's outcome bias, not an argument one couple making it work doesn't erase the structural power imbalance when a 22 year old targets a 16 year old maturity, experience, and influence aren't equal no matter how many vacations or bank accounts follow keep dodging the principle

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Welp sorry to say that I just dont care given the context of this specific situation. No one involved cared. They moved in with eachother. Married eachother. Traveled the world and made bank. Had different life outlooks got divorced. End of story.

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre you're not giving a moral argument, the issue isn't your feelings about your daughter ,it's the objecitve pwoer imbalance when a 22 year old pursues a 16 year old brain development, life experience, and influence aren't equal, even if legal and parents say yes

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre No I did not admit older is different yet here you are changing my stance once again. I have said I would not let her date a 20 year old the same way I wouldnt let her date a 16 year old. Not because age gap. But because that would be my kid and no one would be worthy.

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre no, law + parents being ok doesn't erase the issue, you wouldn't let your own 16 year old date same age, proving YOU KNOW they lack full consent capacity due to maturity gaps that's not 'context matters', you've admitted older is different yet calling it moral for others

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre By law in her country she does not lack the capacity for consent. And even past the law now her parents were also ok with it. So much so that they let her move to another country. Do you believe context matters or everything is black and white and all situations are equal?

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre no, your view justifies grooming minors if parents approve, a dog can't consent, a 16 year old lacks capacity for equal consent you're failing to comprehend the comparison when it's in front of your face lol

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre I also said in the same sentence I wouldn't want my daughter to date anyone at 16. Does that mean its immoral for 16 year olds to date? Stop intentionally leaving key things I have said out. You are being extremely disingenuous now

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre you already admitted you wouldn't be okay with it for your own 16 year old daughter, so you know it's wrong, you just don't want to apply the same standard for strangers that's the inconsistency

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Yes I said that and you said I wouldn't care if a dog was abused.

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre you just said "if all parties involved were ok with it, i would not care" that's your 100% basing your morals on what other people think is okay

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre The context of this is nothing was illegal. No one involved cared. They had a 10+year marriage and worked together daily. Made a great living. One wanted kids one didn't want kids. They got separated. In this case why would I care and why should anyone else.

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre because my morals aren't based on other people morals you think its immoral for your 16 year old daughter to date a 21-22 year old, but it's moral if other people do it and fine it moral

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Just an extremely disingenuous comparison you just made.

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Thats not that case at all wtf. Thought we were having a good convo before this remark as well. The dog would not be ok with getting abused so so because a party involved would not be ok with it I would care. But because everyone this would effect does not care why would I care

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre If all parties involved were ok with everything then I would not care in the slightest. Can I ask why you would care if everyone that it involved was ok with it?

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre would you care if you had a friend and he allowed his 16 year old daughter to get with a 21-22 year old man? also, i don't get the double standard your referencing, it's not really relevant

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre The same way I wouldn't let her get with a 16 year old boy.

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre would you allow your 16 year old daughter to get with a 21-22 year old man, yes or no?

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre No, I said I’d care if it were my 16-year-old daughter, just like I’d care if it were her and a 16 year old boy. That’s normal parental instinct. But if everyone involved and their families are okay with it, I don’t see why outsiders not involved should care at all.

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre so, you do find it morally concerning if it was you, but because the parents don't find it morally concerning you don't either?

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre I wouldn't be ok with it. But clearly all parties involved are ok with it including her parents. So because of that I can have a different opinion. If her parents weren't ok with it and he ignored it and flew her out to the US underage then this is a different convo

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre then there's a clear division between me and you in morals, how'd you feel allowing your 16 year old daughter to date a 21-22 year old man?

@JohnBai02044326 @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Well its a 4-5 year age gap. Her family was ok with it. She was ok with. She stayed with him for 10+ years. As far as im concerned it is morally ok. Also since no laws were broken and all parties involved were ok with it its really none of my business

@cmonnowplaya @jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre so you value legality over morality?

@jdifjsn @Brazybop @notwyre Age of consent in norway is 16 and clearly her parents were ok with since they let her move to another country with him. Also highly doubt she moved here before she was 18

@Brazybop @notwyre didn’t he start dating malena when he was 22 and she was 17? or was that just a running joke

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