@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Also, the officer's purges resulted in bad performance in the early war, but also contributed to increases in performance throughout the war by renovating the officers' corps and its doctrines.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 *"Paranoia" over WW2 is an epic excuse for crimes against humanity at industrial scale.*
Certainly more epic than the US just doing it during the Cold War on an even bigger, more brutal scale over shit like banana plantation workers wanting to not be slaves. For 30 yrs straight.
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Ukranians are an occupied people Hasan refuses to talk to or learn from. He's had 4 years to learn. He still tells a fairytale about an early offramp for the invasion that would have been great for Ukraine, while never mentioning that it would have included Ukraine's disarmament.
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Hasan says his Ukraine/Russia analysis ended up being correct & that the only criticism he receives comes down to him not giving out enough pro Ukraine hopium "Yes my initial prediction that Putin would never Ukraine was wrong..the analysis was still obviously correct..look at the situation now, every single thing that I said, including the initial ceasefire agreement should have been taken..the offramp..should have been taken..these are no longer controversial..now universal position..it was foresight at the time" "That sh*tty peace deal would have been a massive W in comparison to the battle lines currently..they pushed back on some Russian positions, they got a little bit of territory back..Ukraine has lost leverage..every single day..now facing..permanent annexation" "It feels like every single criticism anybody makes of ur Russia takes ultimately comes down to, ur not giving me as much pro Ukraine hopium as I want therefore u must be pro Russia, have u ever seen a more reasonable critique?" - chatter "No I have not, also saying Russia economy is crumbling rn when strikes on Iran..we gave Russia sanctions relief..price of oil barrel goes up..Russia benefits, they don't rely on the Strait of Hormuz"
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 The specific tidbit about Ukrainians being the MOST deported.
As many as over 20 million went through the gulag at some point. It was a spread out phenomenon.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Yea, I'm like 90% sure that's not true.
Millions of Russians were also deported.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 NATO literally put Nukes in WEST GERMANY, JAPAN and TURKEY, as close as they could get away with, during the Cold War
Then they rejected Russia even after they became capitalist
Russia has 0 reasons to believe NATO Ukraine wouldnt become the same Nuclearkrieg fodder as Germany
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@d9_m4 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Meanwhile the reality is that US does things to Cuba only because they allowed themselves to be used by US enemies to threaten the US with an existential threat.
Russia doesn't invade Ukraine over existential threats, they invade to gain (or reclaim) power and influence.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 The Guatemalans were genocided in general peacetime for the crime of wanting dignity instead of being slaves to private american fruit export corpos.
They were murdered because they didnt want to be slaves after the US couped their gov, there was no emergency that explained it.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Also, all of these happened during the preparations, course and wake of WW2, an actual literal existential conflict with paranoia abound even in the safest of countries (eg; the US with its own milder but remarkable Japanese concentration and repression campaign)
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 A more appropiate atrocity comparison is the US exporting its worst gangs of criminals to Latin American states and also supplying them with weapons. The Mexican Gang wars alone have taken 100s of thousands of lives.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Because Cuba isn't really worth the shitshow and doesn't have a massive land border. Also the US probably isn't equipped to fight a war against an enemy with some resolve and grassroots guerrila style leadership (As we see in Iran)
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@Evercor91 @MadJulia12 @DylanBurns1776 America HAS LITERALLY DONE ENTIRE GENOCIDES. ACTUAL MASSIVE CAMPAIGNS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING SPECIFICALLY AGAINST NATIVE CIVILIAN VILLAGES
To do THAT. But countering the USSR. Now they just use the cartel violence they export cause it's cheaper and the American apparatus has rusted
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@d9_m4 @MadJulia12 @DylanBurns1776 Would America have the right to invade a Latin American country if it wanted to make a deal with China.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 I was le good goyslave, was told le NATO Wünderwaffe would win le war! I supported le Iraq War!!!
NÜÜÜÜ!!!
Dawg, the US doesnt invade Cuba cause nukes are out of there, theyre trying to starve it to weaken their resolve + itd be a shit show
Dont do this if u got a land border
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 When I have a 1000 Km long land border with le Nuclear Power and long ethnic ties and I try to sever them to join a military alliance centered entirely around opposing them...
Le Nuclear Power React with Le Violence?
How Could It Be?????!!!!!!!
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 It'd seem the Americans are far more unreasonable and tyrannical when compared to the Russians than we previously thought!
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 So then you're saying... The US has been occupying a Cuban territorial enclave for over 100 years... and doing terrorist attacks and sanctions against Cuba, and the harshest oppositional behavior Cuba has had over the last 20 years is host a couple of Russian Ships a year ago? 🤔
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 The thing is Cuba has never really attacked the US, despite the base being THERE, and Castro basically returned any few Americans that were in Cuban soil
Post-2014 Ukraine basically began shelling its eastern regions with artillery continuously
These situations are not the same
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@d9_m4 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Oh look, when it comes to making excuses for Russia it just needs to "feel threatened" and "concerned", but when it comes to the US they need to be literally attacked several times.
This pretty much sums up my grievance with people like Hasan and other leftists here.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Sure yea... whatever you want to believe... Bush literally pushed for it both for Ukraine and Georgia in 2008 and that's what quite directly triggered both of their conflicts with Russia.
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@d9_m4 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 The US weren't "pushing hard" for shit. They reinstated Ukraine's right as a sovereign nation to apply for membership which Ukraine was not even seriously considering even throughout maidan in 2014 up until annexation of Crimea and war in Donbas happened.
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Cuba was also neutral and still hosts an American naval base going for over 100 years despite the Americans having tried to invade the island and done terrorism against it.
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@d9_m4 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 +Again invoking obscure "military deals with NATO" when your poor innocent Cuba that "gave to all demands" not literally hosted Nukes and is continuing hosting russia's nulcear submarines in US backyard, lol.
Ukraine was neutral and hosted RUSSIAN military base before aggression
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@MadJulia12 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 It didn't threaten sanctions. Russia had a preferential trade deal with Ukraine, Russia didn't have a preferential trade deal with the EU, so if Ukraine dropped its tariffs against the EU, then Russia had to increase its tariffs against Ukraine.
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@d9_m4 @Evercor91 @DylanBurns1776 Yeah that's why they invested tens of billions of dollars in Yanukovych election who turned down EU membership (which he was promised to pursue) and threatened sanctions against Ukraine over trade deal with EU.
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