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dataalways ⚡️🤖@dataalways·
There's lots of debate over what market structure will look like with ePBS. I'm bullish trustless payments because a decentralized network shouldn't need to push 90% of blocks through three geographic chokepoints that just facilitate an offchain auction.
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@swmartin19 so... swapping $20m from one deep pool stable to another just to sandwich someone’s 10k trade, then swapping the $20m back isn't $40.010m of useful economic activity?
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@charliemktplace idk of any blind strategies that have ~75% hit rates and consistently push other txs exactly to common slippages👀
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charlie marketplace@charliemktplace·
@dataalways Is it still a sandwich if its wide & blind & non-atomic? I mean at that point its mean reversion trading lol.
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Meet 0x841: a fresh sandwich bot lurking in the dark forest--currently attacking about 1500 users per day, while going almost unnoticed. What's particularly scary: most of the victims are using private mempools and should be protected.
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@ShutterNetwork but this is also why we need one that has good enough execution quality to make users switch over. which is much harder.
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We need stronger cryptographic guarantees around order flow. Handshakes and legal agreements are not enough. In the short term, that means moving as much as possible into TEEs. In the long term, it means building encrypted mempools that preserve execution quality.
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These attacks flip the usual competitive dynamics on their head. Traditional sandwiches are low-risk and competitive, with most of the revenue bid away to the proposer. These attacks are riskier for the bot, but face little competition—letting 0x841 keep more of the value.
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@nero_eth first half of that is jest. it's high but i don't think it's 50% (obviously builder and market condition dependent though)
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@nero_eth median block is subsidized, so maybe we're gaining from blocks being reorged :p but yeah, would be curious to look at gas usage <> reorg correlations. (vibes based) feels like it hasn't been as strong over the past year w/ relay + client improvements
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Toni Wahrstätter ⟠@nero_eth·
Added two more features to txdelay.pics: → % of private order flow over the last 50 blocks → charts showing historical inclusion time, as well as the second within a slot (0–11s) when transactions were first seen in the public mempool
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@nero_eth broadly agree, but with reorg rates so low it feels like a decent sacrifice to just have builders include them. on the other hand, i was for charging blobs a higher fee for inclusion since those carried meaningful risk.
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Toni Wahrstätter ⟠@nero_eth·
@dataalways Is that actually a benefit though? It just circumvents the market dynamics. E.g. why shouldn't we have a min tip of 0.001 USD (or similar) to compensate builders for the increased reorg risk?
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@nero_eth we don’t use a min tip and i don’t think most other builders do either. obviously those txs are last to be inserted so they sometimes miss out when building algorithms hit timeouts but o/w should see high inclusion. iirc it’s usually just vanilla geth excluding them
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