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@ScathachHerself @Jikkyleaks @grok please intro to virology and immunology for dear reader

@ScathachHerself @Jikkyleaks We have high quality mechanistic data for how vaccines work. Scrutinizing seeming glitches in outcome data is not a valid approach and constitutes abject incompetence. An intelligent vax skeptic will scrutinize the mechanism. Clearly none exist.

🚨🚨You are witnessing a pharma freak out about the measles vaccine because the original trial on which it was based was conducted in Honduras, so that any bodies could be buried, and showed that the majority of the kids got ill - some severely. It was never shown to have prevented encephalitis in any RCT anywhere. The question then becomes, what is the benefit of the vaccine? What is it actually preventing? Pharma have mobilised all their trolls to take down this story and Grok is in overdrive. @AaronSiriSG @stkirsch @RWMaloneMD @DrJBhattacharya @Fynnderella1 pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4860064/

@DavidColeStein @anonemus349832 @MattWalshBlog @megynkelly lindsay graham told the jewish coalition that they were "killing all the right people". so there is a debate, and we want a seat at that table.

@anonemus349832 @MattWalshBlog @megynkelly Why are you an anon? Afraid of something? C'mon, let's see your full legal name and location. If someone threatens you, you should easily be able to win that debate!

The @MattWalshBlog/@megynkelly rightists making a cottage industry of screaming about the left "They want my kids dead! They're murdering us! They'd kill us if they could!" are also the ones telling other rightists to platform and "debate" people who say "the Jews should be killed." And when sensible conservatives try to explain that there's no debating people who say "the Jews should be killed," and that it's bad to say "the Jews should be killed," Walsh, Kelly et al scream "NO INFIGHTING!" Unlike Walsh, I'm not a hysterical girlieman. I've HAD a bounty on my life, and you know what? It was no big deal. I dealt with it soberly, and when I see morons on X living vicariously (and hysterically) through what happened to me, I smack 'em down. Walsh might do a great impression of a woman standing on a chair shrieking at a mouse, but it's very hard to take the "leftists are trying to kill us" folks seriously when they hear Fuentes say "the Jews should be killed" and their response is "platform him and don't criticize him."

@LookingAtYouM8 @anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek @grok Again, what is that single question you can ask grok that it is forced to lie? That would be evidence of a conspiracy that it is forced to lie. Notice the difference between that and simply just claiming there is a conspiracy?

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek @grok You really think the Establishment's media is going to expose establishment hoaxes? You sound wet behind the ears as to how the world works Grok is exposed for pushing propaganda on a daily basis, not just from me.

If LDL is a major driver of CVD, here's what I'd expect: 🤯 people with low LDL still die from CVD 🤯 other factors (e.g. T2D) still matter - a lot 🤯 statins etc. lower but don't eliminate CVD 🤯 people with high LDL often have no CVD Cardiovascular health is multifactorial

@LookingAtYouM8 @anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek @grok If that were true you should be able to find the point of falsification where it lies, and that would make headline news. Why can't you do that?

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek @grok No you cannot train Grok. it doesn't work like that. Grok has been programmed (already trained) to parrot the Establishment narrative

@LookingAtYouM8 @anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek @grok You can argue with grok and train it. Why haven't you been successful with that? @grok are you a propagandist for big pharma?

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek @grok You don't see any evidence because you haven't investigated the thread fully. Grok is known propagandist for BigPharma so handing over your thinking to it as an appeal to authority is embarrassing

@LookingAtYouM8 @anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek I don't see any evidence either, and neither does grok. @grok what is the evidence of a pharmaceutical conspiracy to hide the fact that hypercholesterolemia causes heart disease?

@anonemus349832 @GladstoneB81859 @ScottAppliedSci @burby_geek The thread contains lots of evidence of it, but you didn't investigate it all did you? claiming it contains ZERO evidence without looking at the whole thread reveals you're just trolling.

@BobKnezevic @anonemus349832 @newstart_2024 there's actually zero evidence of mrna induced myocarditis and any paper you link regarding it will say "no causal link", which somehow you missed.

@anonemus349832 @newstart_2024 😂 you are an idiot . With the COVID jab it’s an accepted fact that the MRNA jab causes vaccine induced myocarditis and pericarditis as just ONE example- it’s a BLOCK for you as you are a know nothing time waster

In a revealing exchange, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. dismantles the core argument of the pro-vaccine establishment, exposing a critical logical fallacy they rely on: the appeal to authority. He challenges any official from the CDC, FDA, or doctors like Paul Offit to produce a single scientific study that proves the flu vaccine saves more lives than it costs. He states unequivocally, "You cannot show me that study." While conceding that not every CDC study should be discarded and that vaccines have helped eradicate certain diseases, Kennedy's central demand remains: For each vaccine, the public must be shown independent, peer-reviewed studies that conclusively prove the intervention averts more harm than it causes. He argues that the authorities simply assert "no linkage" to harms like autism without providing the rigorous science to back it up. This is not an argument to be dismissed as "anti-vax." It is a call for the transparency and rigorous science that the public deserves but is consistently denied. The burden of proof lies with those mandating the products.

@grok @Kansanparantaja @dylanarmbruste3 @anonemus349832 @BioLayne sdldl has easier penetration but less cholesterol content, large ldl can also penetrate and has greater cholesterol content, so the effect is net neutral or too small a difference to be clinically relevant.

While large buoyant LDL particles carry more cholesterol, studies (e.g., JACC 2020, AHA reviews) show sdLDL is more atherogenic due to easier arterial penetration, oxidation, and retention. The net effect isn't neutral; sdLDL's properties amplify risk. Genetics and diet influence this—curious for sources?

this is LITERALLY every cohort. It's not like a few or mixed results, it ALWAYS comes up this way. And we do have RCTs showing benefits of fiber LOL Ya'll I swear

@grok @Kansanparantaja @dylanarmbruste3 @anonemus349832 @BioLayne large ldl is not less atherogenic. it still gets retained and delivers more cholesterol, creating a net neutral effect with small ldl, which has less cholesterol.

@Kansanparantaja @dylanarmbruste3 @deportriggers @anonemus349832 @BioLayne It's counterintuitive given past dietary guidelines, but evidence is shifting. Studies like the 2020 JACC review highlight that SFAs often boost larger LDL, potentially less atherogenic. Carbs, especially refined, drive sdLDL more. Curious about specific diets or studies?

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne and LDL sticks in the sub-endothelial layer to the proteoglycans due to electrostatic interactions, because it is grease. The same reasons grease sticks to a pipe. No endothelial dysfunction has occurred yet at this point. High cholesterol concentrations alone does this.

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne You have the order of events backwards. Endothelial dysfunction occurs in late stage disease. Transcytosis is proportional to LDL concentrations. LDL is transported into the sub-endothelial faster than it can be cleared and sticks there.

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne Grease sticks to pipes due to electrostatic interactions. Cholesterol likewise sticks to the subendothelial the same. High LDL concentrations overwhelm endothelial clearance mechanisms (e.g., scavenger receptors like SR-B1), leading to lipid accumulation in endothelial cells.

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne The endothelium is selectively permeable, and lipoproteins enter only under specific conditions such as endothelial dysfunction. What follows is an active biological process, retention by proteoglycans, oxidation, inflammation, and immune response, not passive grease adhesion.

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne No it sticks because the artery has no teflon-like coating, just like grease sticks to anything. The artery is not a non-stick substance. Once it has stuck, then the lipids decay and macrophages eat it, bringing it further into the artery wall.

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne I’m not claiming that arteries are coated with Teflon. They’re lined with endothelium, a living, dynamic cell layer that regulates what enters and exits the arterial wall. Cholesterol doesn’t just ‘stick’ like grease; it has to be transported, retained, and modified biologically.

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne Cholesterol is a greasy viscous substance. Are you claiming that the human artery is coated with a teflon-like substance? That it should be resistant to grease? What chemical lines the arteries do you suppose that has teflon-like qualities?

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne Arteries aren’t pipes, they’re living tissue. What accumulates in plaques is biologically modified lipoproteins, immune cells, and extracellular matrix, not kitchen grease. Saying ‘we see grease buildup’ ignores the complex cellular and molecular processes involved.

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne and no your "humans aren't kitchen sinks lol" isn't a rebuttal. Grease clogs pipes of both organic and inorganic builds. What is it about the human artery that should be resistant to grease buildup? Despite that what we see in a diseased artery is grease buildup?

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne This is not a data issue. It's a mechanistic one. That's your main problem, you don't even understand what you're arguing against. You need to furnish a rebuttal disproving the mechanism -- grease clogging the pipe. Why can no one do that? Should be easy right?

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne The current opinion is a claim of causality. "Low density lipoproteins cause atherosclerosis". You might not like the opinion, but you have no rebuttal against it, and so you are just noise, not actually contributing to the discourse.

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne 2/2 Consensus reflects current opinion, not proof, and we still need definitive data to establish causality.

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne There's scientific consensus on the issue and I have given you the basic tenets of it. So if you want to challenge the consensus, you need to rebuttal the basic tenets in the proper forum. Why is that not a single skeptic such as yourself able to do that? Not even one?

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne Humans aren’t plumbing. Your ‘grease-in-a-pipe’ analogy needs human, confounding-free evidence, please provide it. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

@Kansanparantaja @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne Dave feldman has no formal education and doesn't know what he's talking about. He's confusing a sub-clinical myocardial infarction for plaque regression. Heart attacks are caused by plaque moving around and if you're Feldman you'll think that's keto healing or some shit.

@deportriggers @anonemus349832 @dylanarmbruste3 @grok @BioLayne You can view the entire presentation, from which the screenshot was taken, here: youtu.be/aJobOSRdIOM?si…