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@talalthinks Im glad you understand,though i was just tired from witnessing too much bigotry and opression caused by religion Thats why I seem too extreme when I talk about religion I lived in 2 different Muslims countries and went to 2 Christian school And they were quite terrible to me

@dracmtzz Thank you. Look, we’ve argued a lot. And I was frustrated at some points. But I think both of us tried to engage with mutual respect and good faith. All I ask you to do is just go over my responses and try to understand my claims and points of view.

My friend in Iran is being forced to wear hijab even with progressive parents who dosent want her to and was threatened to be beaten up on the streets once and mfs are telling me about some choices and shit no abolish the whole religion tf🫩

@talalthinks I clarified on a different reply but yes, religious conflicts do exist in the context where both parties genuinely believe in the religion But that is literally one of the reasons why I believe religions are cancer to this world Dosent mean religion is the only bad thing

@dracmtzz This is why, for instance, some attack white-passing Muslims. Not because they see them as brown, but because they view Islam as a religion as so despicable and inhumane that violence is the only warranted response to it.

@talalthinks Werent the of the genocide perpetrators Christians? I know that within religious groups they do actually hate because of religion As ive seen what happened between Pakistan and india India And hence why people who genuinely believe religions are dangerous and easily manipulated

@dracmtzz You have clearly demonstrated that a separation of hating religion and its adherents is not always possible. They overlap and add onto each other in many cases. Like the Bosnian genocide, for example.

@talalthinks Im not just an atheist, if they do such things and is conservative and bigoted I hate them as other categories aside from religion

@dracmtzz It is being attacked by everyone, lol. Centrist, liberals, republicans, communists, other religions, atheists, and even other Muslims. Many atheist figures of the moderate conservative movement have supported the most bloody and unnecessary policies and wars in the name of…

@talalthinks Well then it's really stupid. Only extremists that support/cause war and genocide deserve death, still dosent change the fact that all religions should go

@dracmtzz countering “radical Islam.” What has that done except drown the world in oceans of blood?

@talalthinks That's because they think muslim=brown culture then. Its not that *I* think it is, *they* think it is

@dracmtzz Muslims are not just brown, lol. I’m white-passing despite being Arab. European “white” Muslims like Bosnians exist too. Even visibly white or white-passing Muslims are harassed. I embody and have experienced what you say, so I understand this.

@talalthinks Your religion isnt being attacked by antithiests/atheists. Its being attacked by white supremacists and far-rights, You need to get your priorities straight

@dracmtzz That is what you have been doing. You have not always responded to the claims I make directly. You have failed to consider how your beliefs contribute to the very violence you claim to not support. Think what you want about religion, but you didn’t just say religion sucks.

@talalthinks When they hate Islam so they harass Muslims, it’s because they’re brown. They won’t hate crime a white Muslim, they only hate you because of your race they genuinely are just using religion as an excuse wake up

@dracmtzz I don’t care what you think of me. I care when my people are hurt and slaughtered en-masse for their beliefs, no matter how backwards you may think they are.

@talalthinks See that’s where you’re getting it wrong, they do not care about your religion. They care about your race, because they are racists pretending that it’s the religion they hate They think race and culture correlates to religion, you’re just being fooled by them

@talalthinks Well I think it’s all bullshit, so there’s no point in telling me that. Frankly I don’t care, it’s fake to me so

@dracmtzz I believe in Islam. I believe in definitive truths like God’s existence, and I know that much of my religion is left to speculation. Religious laity and scholars know this too. What is speculative is deeply consequential because it forms the basis for valid legal disagreement.

@talalthinks It dosent matter when you’re still believing in stuff that caused opression for not only women but queer people

@dracmtzz I don’t support the religious laws that harm women and children, or prohibit music and dancing. That lack of support can be substantiated using the legal tradition.

@talalthinks You’re genuinely just talking to a bucket of nothing, I clarified I don’t support violence, right? I’m just saying that the religion sucks. Capiche?

@dracmtzz Incredible. Your dismissal of their understandings and lived experiences is what helps contribute to their oppression and harassment. I don’t think a woman who chooses to wear hijab wants to get gang-raped and killed, or imprisoned and tortured, do you?

@talalthinks Again every religion is fake to me so I automatically dismiss their beliefs, I only think people shouldn’t be harassed but I won’t listen to people that have severe issues like that They support their own opression, so don’t expect me to respect that

@dracmtzz How about this? Instead of your unhelpful pity stemming from your hatred and patronizing, why don’t you just listen to Muslim women and consider their truths seriously? You don’t need to convert to Islam to do that.

@talalthinks So here’s the issue: you actually believe in that shit so it’s different In my perspective, religions are objectively and factually false So even supporting it automatically makes you one of them Which means if you follow the religion I just see you supporting bigotry

@dracmtzz Oh my God. Do you not even know what you say? I was responding to this claim: “Because the current one has only served patriarchy”. I never claimed that Islam did not contain patriarchy in its past and present manifestations, nor have I labeled Islam as feminist.

@talalthinks As long as they claim women being veiled is modest it’s still is and will always be misogynistic I don’t know if it’s too radical or not but I believe any religion that isn’t labeled as feminist should absolutely be abolished

@talalthinks How is that even victim blaming? I’m not saying that anyone should be harassed, it’s just that I don’t understand why people go so far just because they just can’t live without Santa and tooth fairies And aren’t those harassments caused by other religions? I hate them all equally

@dracmtzz Victim-blaming? In 2026? How about stopping the idiots that would attack a Muslim woman for her clothing?

@talalthinks I’m not narrow minded, I do feel very bad for women who suffer it’s just that their religion is stupid. Two things can coexist, you know?

@dracmtzz Again, your claims are so reductive they fall into a type of absolutism devoid of even the most basic nuance. I wouldn’t care ordinarily. But when you are so narrow-minded that your first instinct is to crush lived realities of women that counters your claim, I take issue.

@talalthinks That doesn’t prove that man made religions aint patriarchal, try again. So why does honor killing, forced hijabs, treating menstruation as shameful, promoting modesty culture exist? Or are you brainwashed to believe that your religion is remotely feminist

@dracmtzz Permitting women inheritance, property rights, uplifting the cultural restriction of menstruating women to stay indoors in favor of their active participation in society, the right to initiate divorce, kill their rapists, mandating female sexual pleasure. Big owns to patriarchy.

@talalthinks If they risk being harassed because they can’t let go of made p deities then maybe they should’ve spent more time thinking

@dracmtzz Would you silence the women who choose to wear the hijab in BJP-heavy areas in India, knowing the risks it carries? Or the women who wear the niqab in France despite the bans? Where does this neat and uniform narrative of the hijab as oppressive make space for their realities?