Dustin Siddoway

@oberg_o83356 @Cernovich If the doctrine was universally clear from the beginning, why did it require centuries of debate and creedal formulation?

@oberg_o83356 @Cernovich The nature of Christ and the Trinity aren't separate issues. Nicaea debated Christ's relationship to the Father, and Constantinople addressed the Holy Spirit. Those councils helped define what became orthodox Trinitarian doctrine.

Every Mormon I know considers themself Christian. TBH I find these debates boring.

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich We could go back and forth all day about this. I have a lot of respect for the Catholic church and all the good they have done.

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich The real question is: where is the evidence that anyone after the apostles exercised the same prophetic authority as Peter, John, or Paul—not merely that they believed they inherited it?

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich The Church Fathers may have been sincere and preserved much truth, but being disciples of the apostles is not the same thing as being apostles. The question is not whether they were good men, but whether Christ's authority and ongoing revelation remained with them

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich We wouldn't claim there was an immediate collapse the day the last apostle died. The LDS claim is that the apostles repeatedly warned of a coming apostasy and that after their deaths the Church no longer had the same apostolic authority and revelatory leadership.

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich This is an interesting conversation a leader of our church had about our two churches

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich Our church believes that though the authority was given to Peter, that the line of authority was lost after the original apostles were all killed. We believe that an apostacy took place and therefore a restoration of the church was needed - which came thru Joseph Smith.

@BroMichael87 @UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich Muslims respect Jesus as a prophet but reject His divinity, atonement, and role as Savior. Latter-day Saints affirm all of those. So the better question is: Who gets to define Christianity—Jesus and the New Testament, or later creeds and theological traditions?

@dtsidd @UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich So is Biblically Historical Christianity and Mormonism the same or not? The belief of who God is vastly different between both religions. Logically the beliefs are incoherent. Muslims believe in Jesus too. Are they Christians as well?

@BroMichael87 @UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich No, they're obviously not the same. Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and Latter-day Saints all differ significantly. The question isn't whether they're the same, but whether "Christian" requires complete doctrinal agreement or simply faith in and discipleship to Jesus Christ.

@oberg_o83356 @Cernovich Saying "the Trinity is biblical" assumes the very point under debate. Why should those who worship Christ, accept His divinity, atonement, and resurrection be excluded from Christianity simply because they understand the Godhead differently?

@dtsidd @Cernovich Well, I'm an Orthodox Christian, so I can see and understand how the doctrine of the Trinity displayed within the Scripture is sound and correct. Those who see otherwise are dangerously close to Gnosticism which is not Christian.

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich You can argue Mormon theology is wrong, but "wrong about God's nature" and "not Christian" are different claims. What biblical passage says a follower of Christ ceases to be Christian for disagreeing with Nicene Trinitarianism?

@dtsidd @Cernovich I don't think any other denomination disagrees about the trinity - God's very essence - to the extent that Mormons do.

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich Christianity existed for centuries before the Nicene Creed. Where did Jesus or the apostles teach that agreement with a specific definition of the Trinity is required to be considered a Christian?

@NielL92840577 @Cernovich My point is how does a different view on the trinity determine one's ability to claim Christendom? Where is the rule that you must agree with the Trinitarian view to be a follower of Christ?

@dtsidd @Cernovich This author is saying Mormons believe in a different God from Christianity

@BroMichael87 @UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich But they are both stock. They are both tech. They are both American. You don’t have to be the same to share something in common. Both Mormons and Creedal Christians believe in Christ of the New Testament and are Christian.

@UtahSandersTwo @Cernovich If you had knowledge of Historically Bible believing Christian doctrine and LDS Church doctrine, you would realize that it is not logical and intellectually dishonest to say that they are both Christian. It's like saying that Apple stock and Google stock are the same.