Dune_Fox

@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Are you familiar with the concept of "faith"? Believing that God's word is true when he says so requires it.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal I'll address that, but first do you recognize that a text calling itself true in no way indicates that it's true? That was your previous argument.

People can occupy a ton of different positions whether or not they believe in moral facts. It's the laziest, most 20 IQ high school Christian take to go "oh, this guy doesn't believe in moral facts, therefor everything is arbitrary and trivial and they can believe in anything!!!"

Well that's not what you asked but since you went there, there are mountains of physical archeological evidence to corroborate many of the stories in the Bible. We find more all the time. There's more text written about Jesus than Augustus. But again, I'm sure you know all this and are just pretending to not understand.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Are you serious? You think that a collection of texts is true because you think that collection of texts claims it's true? That's such a stupid reason. The Koran also claims the Koran is true. Is that sufficient reason to believe it's true?

It is you who's having difficulty understanding. The definitions you apply to objective/subjective are more narrow than what the words actually mean. Because it says it is. You either believe what the Bible says or you don't. And if you don't believe it, we don't even live in the same reality and therefore will never come to an agreement on the objectiveness of morality.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Okay, you seem incapable of understanding the distinction here, so we can move to the next point. Why would I agree that moral statements in the Bible or the Bible as a whole are ultimately true?

@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal I dispute your god's morality. I think rape is always wrong and your god doesn't. There you go, it's disputable. Do you disagree with the definition of subjective that I gave? If you're using your own special definitions of words, maybe that explains your incoherence.

No. Man's opinions on morality are subjective because they are disputable. God's opinions on morality are objective because they are true and indisputable. For the final time, that which is ultimately true is by definition objective. Rape is objectively wrong because God says it is multiple times. In many cases punishable by death.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Okay, so we agree that according to your view, morality is defined by your god's mind. That means you agree that morality is subjective. It must suck that you also can't give a reason why rape is objectively wrong. Bummer.

@MrFacepalm11 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal I'm not asking for anything. I gave my response.

@dune_fox903 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal I already gave you four contexts. Are you asking for more examples? x.com/MrFacepalm11/s…

@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal God's "mind" and "opinions" are ultimately true. That which is ultimately true is also objective fact.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Objective: true or false independent of a mind Subjective: only true or false with respect to a mind because of how it perceives, prefers, or decrees it Earth is round regardless of your opinion, ergo it is objective. According to you, morality is based on your god's mind.

@MrFacepalm11 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal In what context are other gods discussed? God calls on men to worship, idolize, or recognize no other god but him. Scripture acknowledges the fact that peoples worship other gods, but they are false idols and none equal to the Lord.

@dune_fox903 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal 1. It's hilarious that you would ignore the previous verse, which clearly says Yahweh is superior to the other gods, obviously implying they exist. 2. Even if that actually meant there is literally only one god, all that would prove is that the Bible texts contradict each other.

@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal It is my opinion that the Earth is round. That is also objectively true. I think you're the one who doesn't understand what objective means.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal You can claim that it is objectively true that your god's opinion is that X is a sin because it says that in the Bible. That doesn't overcome the fact that it's still your god's opinion and therefore subjective.

@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal You're missing the part where God's word is true. If something is ultimately true it is by definition objective.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Yeah, it seems like you don't know what objective means. You're just claiming your god's opinion is objective. But definitionally, it's still subjective to what you think your God says or thinks. Malachi 3:14 says it's vain to serve God. But you would say that's subjective.

@MrFacepalm11 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal "For all the gods of the peoples are idols, but the Lord made the heavens."

@dune_fox903 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal It says Egypt's gods are real. It calls other gods to worship Yahweh. Yahweh is several times said to rule amidst a pantheon. Paul says there are many gods.

@pr0ud_americans Drunken sailors gunna drunken sailor

FAFO, the guy in the white shirt was definitely in the find out stage.😬

@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal If God's word is absolute truth, then we can treat it as objective fact. Even if you don't believe this, how long are you going to pretend you don't understand it?

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Dude, none of those say morality is objective. You might have some trouble with reading comprehension. I'll help you a bit. You probably should be looking for something that indicates morality is external to God, because if it's just God's opinion or decree, it's subjective.

@MrFacepalm11 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal It mentions people worshipping other gods, sure.

@dune_fox903 @RyanAvery15582 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal You must have not read very much of your Bible if you think it doesn't mention other gods.

@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Psalm 33:4 Psalm 119:160 John 14:16 John 17:17 There are countless verses that clearly explain God's word is the truth. His word is therefore objective. Morality is his, not mans, and therefore must also be objective.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Your original claim isn't that morality is true (which is a meaningless statement). You claimed morality is objective. Do you claim the Bible says morality is objective? I wouldn't believe a claim just because it's in the Bible, but where does the Bible even say that?

@RyanAvery15582 @MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal There is only one God.

@dune_fox903 @MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal It means nothing to a religious audience because you didn’t specify which god.

@BarackObama "Standing up for democracy..." Fuck you. Just, fuck you.

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@MrFacepalm11 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal No, I'm saying morality is true because God's word is true. This obviously means nothing to a secular audience.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal We can pivot to a different topic after if you want. But for now, let's stick to morality. You just made the same argument. You're saying it's USEFUL to claim or believe morality is objective. Are you saying it's TRUE because it's USEFUL? That's obviously a non sequitur.

Yes it is true there is objective morality. Just as scripture is true. But arguing about God gets nowhere with you people. I'd rather argue what's tangible. No culture has ever begun to thrive by embracing the idea of subjective morality. In fact every culture that has increasingly embraced the idea today has rapidly declining cultural cohesion. See every 1st world country right now.

@dune_fox903 @RussNeverLeft @TheOmniLiberal Two problems. 1: Claiming it's necessary for a thriving culture doesn't mean it's true. I'm asking if it's TRUE that there's objective morality, not if it's USEFUL to claim. 2: A thriving culture could share subjective morality, so your point doesn't make any sense.

@realstewpeters It's not hypocrisy when we make the rules and we're playing to win.

HEGSETH: “Threatening commercial ships transiting international waters is piracy.” ALSO HEGSETH: “Two oil tankers were seized overnight. We’re going to take their 50 million barrels of oil and sell it. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. These are not serious people.