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@upndownsuites a guy says this and there's no comphet discourse in the comments? woke is dead and i miss it

I’ll never understand people who take years to realize they’re gay… no way that’s real

@bilbosfootcomb tattoo was pretty good tho that i will defend

@bilbosfootcomb we swear it used to be better just go like a decade or two earlier lol

Ngl I hadn’t heard a single Eurovision song except that Israeli Chicken one and this is some of the most genuinely unlistenable dogshit I’ve ever heard lmfao why does anyone watch this

@veelesec @inquisitius i mean, it's mostly linear algebra and diff eq. it has many more hundreds pass, i'm not sure # failures is a good metric when demand is so vastly different.

@egg135123 @inquisitius > intro eng classes are also easy absolutely incorrect. "basic electrical technology" and "basic electronics" had hundreds of people fail it in first year

This is a problem in the humanities because a lot of humanities majors are easy which makes them attract people who don’t like learning. I TA’d a CS class where we happily failed 60% of them because they cheated. This would be sacrilege in a humanities department.

@inquisitius yeah these are generalization that need backup, but I think I ran out of time for us to discuss. Thanks though, this was nice!

@egg135123 Math/Science literacy in this country is comically bad. English literacy is also bad that's much easier to handle. Humanities courses need more of a weed-out culture

@inquisitius which then again doesn't say much about the difficulty, just who is allowed to take the course. That is also very demand-driven

@inquisitius OK this is probably another disagreement we have - I'm not sure most STEM student who take the "second-year STEM" courses are as interested in STEM as humanities, or have similar preparation in it. I would agree that humanities classes have a less vertical hierarchy, +

@BrokiBeforeHoki @inquisitius Yeah, then maybe there's not much of an argument to speak of here. Have a good day though

@egg135123 @inquisitius The exercise is left to the reader.

@BrokiBeforeHoki @inquisitius OK that could be a great point! Do you happen to have any citations?

@egg135123 @inquisitius I mean, you can look at GPA for majors or time spent studying. There are some humanities harder than some STEM, but statistically it's largely the reverse.

@inquisitius As someone who's really competent in one (I go to a very well-known CS program as a grad student) and knows people who are really competent in another, this feels personal to you? Then again, I'm quite bad at history, but Calc 2/3 and baby Rudin were child's play to me

@inquisitius So, there were no more than 4 AP prereqs in the upper-level courses your institution offered? Not to say that you couldn't do history, but I doubt that you could have graduated with that lack of depth. My point is that you majored in one and not the other, which skews your view.

@BrokiBeforeHoki @inquisitius Yeah, again - nice description, little evidence. Most disciplines have large assignments and surprising exams.

@inquisitius @egg135123 Even if those humanities classes were hard, STEM classes can be a different level. Both in the amount of time spent doing homework / problems, but also studying for tests that have problems that the class has never seen before.

@inquisitius btw just to be clear i'm also not saying that humanities people have the same capability and intelligence. i truly don't know, and i kinda think you don't either

@egg135123 I definitely didn't because I used my high school AP credits as prereqs for those classes. Not saying humanities majors are dumb. It's just not remotely as difficult as doing something like Calc 2/3. The culture is very sink or swim in most STEM departments.

@inquisitius so it's not necessarily that the "material is harder", but more people enroll. can we say the same, for example, for cs intro? at least not in my institution as far as i know

@inquisitius You used AP credits for all history and philosophy intro prereqs? How many? I'm doubtful of that claim knowing APs. As for Calc 2/3 - I don't disagree in terms of culture, though one could also say that a lesser % of STEM students are as passionate as humanities.

@veelesec @inquisitius yeah, most schools have this option. intro classes or survey classes of most disciplines are easy (save for few weed-out courses) so I'm not sure that says much? like yeah "intro history of scandinavians" was easier than, say, control theory. intro eng classes are also easy

@egg135123 @inquisitius We have an option for humanities electives in our engg college. Almost everyone who wants a grade boost takes them instead of the core technical ones.

@inquisitius i'm not saying this is necessarily correct - we don't have enough data, just that at a first pass (as a CS grad student) it doesn't seem very convincing, let alone obvious

@inquisitius this makes me think you possibly took the "non-major-friendly" courses in the history dept of your school, kinda like how a lot of science majors take intro AI and then write off the whole field as trivial. like historiography could be very "algo"-like too.

@inquisitius again not to be too oppositional, but did you even finish your program? how many courses in humanities vs stem are we really talking about here?

@inquisitius is this actually true? most tech bros say this but give zero quantitative evidence. who's to say you didn't just pick up a few intro humanities courses, which led to harder courses you didn't take? i do math&cs btw

@inquisitius (btw in my uni it's very much the opposite, but I won't disclose where I go and it's very anectodal anyway)

@egg135123 Also, keep in mind that if you do math/cs you get exposed to some similar stuff you see in philosophy classes (symbolic logic and proofs). Math department versions of those courses are much harder tho.