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England, United Kingdom Katılım Nisan 2023
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@IrvineEmerson @tajjackson3 He got close with entire families and these families would stay at his house. This is something you could easily research for yourself
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@tajjackson3 Why did he have sleepovers with young boys who weren't even related to him, even if nothing happened?
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@MoizDBL @thatcareylady If u guys like her then that’s fine but u don’t need to bend over backwards to defend her and outright lie. She says she believed him… at the time and blames youngness(naivety) for it. She also says she believes what most ppl believe about him and what do u think that is
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@elles468 @thatcareylady She literally explains everything here, why she spoke of him in a 'barky' tone and even in the clips you showed she was still defending him when it came to those allegations.
youtu.be/OboAPUlptEk?si…
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@hesalive9 @erensfav_ He used to throw his kids against walls, strip them down, oil them up and beat them and you don’t think he was a bad person?!
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@erensfav_ He wasn’t a bad person. Just a strict parent. What the fuck wrong with y’all. Maybe y’all didn’t have a parent to push you. Sometimes that creates fear in how you treat your parent when you become an adult
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@mikebattleborn @saycamore What we know is that he was sent these books, they were locked for 3 years in a cabinet that he didn’t have access to or try to gain access to, and nothing comparable was found when his house was raided without warning in 2003
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@saycamore @elles468 I’ve stuck to one scenario this entire time: he owned child erotica created by pedophiles which was seized from his home by the government. Any individual that owns these books is a pedophile.
You’re the one throwing anything else you can against the wall to see what sticks.
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This is one of the most misunderstood aspects of the MJ case.
Michael settled a CIVIL case, which had no impact on the criminal one. The investigation continued and a trial would have taken place if his accusers had testified or if evidence had been found for the state to indict him. The accusers had the opportunity to BOTH receive money and pursue criminal charges, but chose not to.
He settled the civil case because it was scheduled before the criminal one, which violated his Fifth Amendment rights. The Chandlers admitted in their book that they intentionally created this situation to pressure him into settling. Regardless, this is not relevant to the criminal case itself.
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the fact that michael jackson settled the case with jordan chandler for $23 million is possibly the biggest piece of evidence against him. $23 million in 1993 is about $53 million today. you're delusional if you think someone would settle for that much if they were innocent
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@mikebattleborn @xamoreaux @saycamore I never told u to accept anything.What we do know is that he signed the flyleaf, the books were in a cabinet, the only person with the key to open it was a maid who hadn’t worked for him in 3 years,& the prosecution didn’t consider this important enough to check for fingerprints
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@elles468 @xamoreaux @saycamore The book is filled to the brim with full frontal nude children. Again you’re asking me to accept he took the time to write this message on the first page but never even flipped through. At least it’s an acknowledgement of some kind how horrible these materials are.
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@mikebattleborn @saycamore And yet the prosecution didn’t find this anywhere near damning enough to bother testing for fingerprints even though a big point they were making was that he used certain materials as grooming methods. Really makes you think
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@saycamore @elles468 I can make a reasonable inference based on possession of books and fact he wrote a message in 1 of them that he looked at said materials. Jurors do this all the time.
“X was given to me and I kept it in my closet but didn’t ever look at it despite writing in it” on other hand…
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@mikebattleborn @saycamore A big point that the prosecution made was that he used certain material to groom and yet they didn’t test for fingerprints as they clearly didn’t think they were important or damning enough
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@saycamore @elles468 Okay so what you’re actually saying is you have no idea whether his fingerprints were on the pages of the child erotica he owned and kept in his bedroom closet cabinet. Please don’t say they weren’t in future.
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@mikebattleborn @xamoreaux @saycamore And the cover of the book with the inscription is kids smiling and jumping into a pool and the inscription says he never had this and wants this for his children that’s not exactly sinister now is it especially from a man who famously didn’t have a childhood
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@elles468 @xamoreaux @saycamore Think about what you’re saying. This is child erotica popular on Nambla mailing lists at the time. They were in his bedroom closet, in a cabinet specifically. He wrote an inscription on 1 of them. Him owning lots of other books is meaningless and the definition of straw grasping
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@mikebattleborn @xamoreaux @saycamore These books were in a locked cabinet that only Blanca Francia, a maid who hadn’t worked for Michael for 3 years had the key too so if what investigators said was true then he clearly wasn’t concerned with an employee having access to that draw
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@venusianbbyyy I’m surprised that after all the child abused when he was a kid, losing his childhood and everything, he grew up to be a perfect gentleman, very polite, kind, and a lovely whimsical man 😭
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I think another reason why people had /have such dislike for Michael is because he refused to display hyper /toxic masculinity
nico 𖤓@ugust_moon
he never said that. he said he’s a gentleman, meaning he does not have to brag about or publicize how much pussy he’s had. smth men today can’t even begin to fathom and they be getting LESS evb oughta learn from mr. fishes 😭
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@mikebattleborn @xamoreaux @saycamore He had a library filled with thousands of books, and was sent those two books so how exactly is that his fault. He was the most famous man alive and was surely being sent all sorts. Ur once again grasping at straws almost like u wish it was true it’s very strange
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@xamoreaux @saycamore @elles468 Art books lol. Keep clinging to that lie if it soothes you.
Do you own any art books created by pedophiles containing full frontal child nudity?
We can agree to disagree if this is normal to you.
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@mikebattleborn @saycamore And Gavin arvizo said out of his own mouth that he was begging to sleep in Michael’s room. Michael was uncomfortable with it so he slept on the floor with a witness in the room whilst Gavin and Michael’s children slept on the bed
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@elles468 @saycamore Again - I’m just going to keep circulating back to fact this man had child erotica in his possession and shared bedrooms overnight with children. Nothing can assuage that.
The parents being scummy isn’t really surprising considering they gave access to their kids in 1st place
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@mikebattleborn @saycamore Who told u to overlook anything? When clear signs of extortion are being presented that would surely give someone the incline to look more into things, beyond what the media said and into what actually happened in court
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@elles468 @saycamore We’re at an impasse because I feel like the grasping at straws is coming from the pro-MJ side.
At the end of the day, this man possessed child erotica and was sharing his bedroom overnight with kids unrelated to him. It’s next to impossible for me to overlook that combo.
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@thatcareylady @MoizDBL It literally doesn’t and yet here u are having a fit because I don’t😭if ur willing to look past what she’s said then that’s ur right but don’t tell me how to feel I don’t like that lady and I’m well within my right not to
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@mikebattleborn @saycamore So what now then I really don’t understand u people. Ur literally grasping at straws twisting everything to fit ur narrative it’s ridiculous. I’m sure u hope it’s not true so why not be open to the chance that it isn’t instead of trying to twist everything that suggests so
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@elles468 @saycamore It’s not exactly uncommon for a game of chicken to go sideways on the accused before things go public. Maybe the victim’s father’s demand was too high and it didn’t feel real enough yet. Your house being raided has a tendency to change your outlook on things.
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@thatcareylady @MoizDBL So I have to like her because Michael did…😭 I’m not trying to paint her as anything she did that herself. I dunno why u Lisa fans gets so pressed about people not liking her when there’s valid reasons for it. If u can look past what she’s said then do that no one’s stopping you
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