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Who cannot anguish at the vast majority of souls in our day who seem to throw themselves fervently into damnation?

Bellarmine On Certain Obstinate Sinners Praying The “Our Father” St. Robert Bellarmine: “But if someone does not want the grace of conversion, nor asks for it from his heart, but prays with his lips alone from habit – or what is more grave, prays in order to be seen by men – he not only gains nothing from his prayer, but it even becomes a sin, since he lies in almost all of his petitions.  For how can he say ‘Our Father’, who does not want to be a son?  And how can he say ‘hallowed be thy name’, by whom the name of God is regularly blasphemed?  And how can he say ‘thy kingdom come’, who fears nothing more than the coming of the Lord?  And how can he say ‘thy will be done’, who always does his own will and not the will of God?” - De Bonis Operibus In Particulari, Book 1, Chap. 6 (Fifth Petition)

“There are many other extraordinary and quite ridiculous things in this book (quran) which he (Muhammed) boasts was sent down to him from God. But when we ask: ‘And who is there to testify that God gave him the book? And which of the prophets foretold that such a prophet would rise up?’—they are at a loss.” -St. John of Damascus

@BroMatthewOFMC Yes, I know, I may be prideful in wanting a direct answer. All in God’s providence. But when I really think about the crisis we are in, I get incredibly disturbed and restless.

@equezchristi The thing is that you don’t need an answer to know that the Church cannot defect.

@Almajhul103 What people call modern-day “Catholics” are not Catholic because they broke with what the Church has once declared. I cannot say I am a representative of any group, but I support and promote MHFM. They explain the crisis and proofs on their website. vaticancatholic.com

@equezchristi Btw i was Just Reading on your group, do you Guys consider modern day catholics as heretics?

I am against this administration and the jewry that has led us to this unjust war for the evil ambitions of the jewish state at the expense of civilians and Americans. However, people must recognize how this Antipope is twisting this particular situation to spread falsehood!

He died under the Mosaic law; baptism wasn't made a universal necessity until after the resurrection. However, I still believe he and all of the righteous were baptized by Jesus whenever He descended into hell and brought them up to heaven. This isn’t explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but it is a reasonable conclusion given that only by baptism is eternal life open to us, for we are made clean by it. This also appears in The Shepherd of Hermas, which some early Fathers treated as scripture.

@equezchristi Honest question, how do we know the thief on the cross was baptized?

It's very interesting to the replies to this post. They rage against Catholic teaching, every response is pure emotionalism. It is ONLY by God’s grace through baptism that we are able to merit eternal life!

@exRhenum I agree and affirm limbo as well. I think it is a further clarification for those who die simply in privation of sanctifying grace compared to those who die with guilt of actual sin.

While you are correct in pointing out that all the unbaptized go to hell, I do believe there is ample evidence for the existence of Limbo. Pope Pius VI condemned the Jansenists for their mockery of Limbo as a "Pelagian fable" in 1794 (Auctorem Fidei): Proposition 26. "The doctrine which rejects as a Pelagian fable, that place of the lower regions (which the faithful generally designate by the name of the limbo of the children) in which the souls of those departing with the sole guilt of original sin are punished with the punishment of the condemned, exclusive of the punishment of fire, just as if, by this very fact, that these who remove the punishment of fire introduced that middle place and state free of guilt and of punishment between the kingdom of God and eternal damnation, such as that about which the Pelagians idly talk" – Condemned as false, rash, injurious to Catholic schools. (Denz. 1526)

We know as a point of faith that the unbaptized go to hell. Limbo is a theological opinion that I affirm, but not a rule of faith. What a lot of people are attacking is that they go to hell at all, which is the main issue. I think the “fires of hell” can, in general, preclude the possibility of limbo. After all, the language used in councils like Florence for those who die outside the Church (i.e., the unbaptized) is “everlasting fire”. I think his description is well within orthodoxy. He didn’t say the state of everyone in hell is the same, nor do the Councils or Fathers.

@equezchristi Baptism is indeed absolutely necessary for salvation, but a distinction must be made between the fires of hell and limbo - which is the part of hell where there is no fire.

I believe they go to a place in hell with no fire. Because though they have original sin and can never see their Father’s face, they draw nearer to mercy rather than punishment. I’m paraphrasing this from the revelations of a female saint in which Christ described this to her. Thought it was Saint Bridget, but I cannot find it.

If a baby dies without baptism, it will go into the fires of hell.

@Dimi7ri “I don’t want to be in the mystical body of Christ, but I think I have to.” If God graces you with the faith, do not think of it as a burden.

Guys I don’t want to be a sede, but I think I have to.

“But how could this being of light be the devil?” As long as you find a heretic or apostate “sincere,” they must be okay? Heretics and apostates like JP2 are evil, they are working against God; if you had any faith or regard for the truth at all, you would know that is what matters. Not how kind or “holy” you perceive them to be. Absolutely absurd.

As you can see, the Sedes all deflect and point back to the NO church and the "heretics" and "apostates". Which just proves my point as to the Sedes and the arguments they make. Take John Paul II for example. I grew up under his papacy. While not beyond reproach, I think most people view him as a sincerely holy man who believed what he taught, even if the Sedes are right and he was ultimately wrong. And I would say the same thing for the 99% of NO priests I've met. Likewise, while I've never met a sede priest in person, I honestly believe I'd say the same thing about them. Holy and sincere in their beliefs, but, in my opinion, wrong. Shouting to the world that JPII, etc. was an "apostate" and "heretic" is simply not going to resonate with people. Instead, you could say he was a holy man who was misled/mistaken--which is what I would say about the sedes. I sympathize with the sedes, and understand their arguments even if I personally don't find them convincing. I just think they're going about things the wrong way, and the tactics they are using are simply leading people to give up on Catholicsm, rather than embracing sedevacantism.

@captive_dreamer No one of status is saying this at all.

The dissident right is actually trying to say Trump going after the SPLC is a bad thing. Truly incredible

@jarldietrich Ngl novus ordites calling themselves “Catholics” is as cringe as the eastern schismatics calling themselves “Orthodox”. It’s pure cope.

Ngl sedevacantists calling Catholics "novus ordites" is as cringe as protestants calling us "romanists" and "papists". Its pure cope

@LangmanVince I can’t stand liars, why are you people everywhere in this day? The SPLC did not fund Patriot Front according to the documentation.

The conspiracy theorists were right about everything during the Biden Regime! The Patriot Front was an SPLC false flag operation!

@ettesalveregina The demons celebrate your fear of truth and Christ mourns your separation from Himself.

you all being sedevecantist scares me fr keep it to yourself

@elyawda If you accepted all Catholic teaching you would absolutely reject Vatican II. If you want I can link a document which goes over the council and its contradictions with Catholicism.

@austinemarie777 @mhfmvc Oh sorry, i’ll do a proper response to this in a few days. I have read your source.

@equezchristi @mhfmvc @equezchristi

Defenders of BOD/BOB rely really on one argument for their position: “It is simply inconceivable that theologians, Church Doctors, Catechisms, and even Popes could be wrong on baptism of desire/blood. The position was widespread; if it were heretical, it would have surely been condemned!” The problem with this argument is that infallibility is granted to the universal magisterium ALONE. Every forum where the doctrine of BOD/BOB has been taught has been fallible. Theologians, Catechisms, and Church Doctors are NOT the magisterium! Popes like Pius XII presented the doctrine in a fallible context! For something to be infallible via the Universal Ordinary Magisterium, there must be: 1.Universality of Bishops – The bishops must teach the doctrine dispersed worldwide (not just locally). 2.Union with the Pope – They must be in communion with the Pontiff, the head of the episcopal body. 3.Definitive Proposal – It must be proposed to be held as divinely revealed (faith/morals, part of the deposit of faith). But Baptism of Blood and Desire is: NOT universal (disputed through history, not consistently taught everywhere). NOT definitively proposed (left open for discussion, not dogmatized). NOT solemnly defined (never binding). If they concede on this point, which they are forced to remain truthful, they might still say: “Even if it has been taught technically in fallible sources, the sources they come from are very credible. It is still inconceivable that this many devout and holy people could be wrong.” I answer that, God EXPLICITY ALLOWS error to be spread among fallible sources such that those of true faith may be tested and strengthened. Not only is it possible, it’s CONSISTENT with what we know about heresy, end times, and the rise of modernism and the counter Church! 1 Corinthians 11:19 “For there must be also heresies: that they also, who are approved, may be made manifest among you.” God has allowed the error of Baptism of Blood and Desire to promulgate so that the end times would occur and the faithful could be tested. The doctrine implicitly denies dogmas like EENS, and the denial of EENS is the ROOT of modernism and the SEED that sprouted the abominable Vatican II sect. The erroneous doctrine implicitly denies EENS because baptism dogmatically is what makes one a member of the Church. Taken to its logical conclusion, there IS salvation outside the Church if you can be saved without the sacrament of Baptism. People are swayed by pride and popular opinion. I genuinely believe that if everyone really looked into the subject with goodwill, they would see the tremendous error in the doctrine and obstinately reject it. Defenders of BOB/BOD claim to reject Vatican II yet use the same arguments and commit the same errors as the Novus Ordo. After all, how different is the Novus Ordo argument, “It's inconceivable that there could be no Pope for decades!” from the arguments sprouted by proponents of baptism of blood and desire?

@FrenlyOfficer God promised never to repeat the flood. However, God didn’t promise to never to repeat the destruction of Sodom.

>Sodomite festival at Sodom unbelievable

One thing that is consistent with all the Saints is their absolute humility. It’s such a contrast with the performative behavior of people who call themselves Christians today, always with the grand gestures, always trying to appear holy. These are the Pharisees rather than the Saints. Christ says that when we pray, we should do so in secret, for God, who dwells in secret, will reward us. Padre Pio, for instance, begged God to remove his stigmata, not because of the immense suffering, but because he feared people would elevate him personally and not God. Saint Francis called himself the worm. The saints didn’t merely say it; they truly believed they were the lowest; they lived it. Who are we then, if Saint Francis calls himself the worm? How much lower than he are we? Saint Paul answered this: we are nothing without God.

“Men will surrender to the spirit of the age. They will say that if they had lived in our day, faith would be simple and easy. But in their day, they will say, things are complex; the Church must be brought up to date and made meaningful to the day's problems. When the Church and the world are one, then those days are at hand.” - Saint Anthony