Honest Abe

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Honest Abe

Honest Abe

@flyingpaster79

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Newport Beach, CA Katılım Şubat 2014
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hunter
hunter@hxxntrr·
Elon Musk hasn't sold a Tesla share in years and lives off $1 billion in personal loans His Tesla stock keeps appreciating The loans charge him 2-3% interest The IRS never sees a single dollar of capital gains tax This is exactly how the wealthiest people in America accumulate wealth without paying taxes and it's available to anyone with $100K+ in assets The strategy is called "borrow against appreciated assets" or sometimes "buy borrow die." It's the single most powerful tax-minimization strategy used by ultra-wealthy individuals in America Mechanics: When you SELL an asset that has appreciated, you owe capital gains tax. Federal long-term capital gains rates: 0%, 15%, or 20% depending on income. Plus state capital gains in most states (CA: 13.3%; NY: 8.82%). Plus net investment income tax of 3.8% for higher earners (IRC Section 1411) For someone like Elon Musk selling $1B in Tesla stock, the total tax bill would be approximately: Federal capital gains at 20%: $200M Net investment income tax at 3.8%: $38M Texas state tax: $0 (Texas has no state income tax, this is why Elon moved there) Total tax bill on selling $1B: $238M When you BORROW against appreciated assets, you owe ZERO tax. Loan proceeds are not income under IRC Section 61. They never appear on your tax return. They never trigger a tax event For Elon to access $1B in cash for spending purposes, the math is: Sell $1B in Tesla stock: $762M in net proceeds after tax OR Borrow $1B against $1B in Tesla collateral at 2-3% interest: $1B in net proceeds tax-free Selling costs him $238M in taxes Borrowing costs him $20-30M/year in interest (or roughly $200-300M over a decade if held that long) But the borrowing strategy has additional benefits: Tesla stock continues to appreciate. Over 10 years, $1B in Tesla stock has historically appreciated to multiples of that. Selling locks in the gain at today's value. Borrowing keeps the upside The interest paid on the loan is potentially tax-deductible if structured as an investment loan (IRC Section 163(d)). Effective after-tax cost can be reduced to 1-2% The loan never has to be repaid during his lifetime. He can refinance it indefinitely. When he dies, his heirs inherit the stock at a "stepped-up basis" (IRC Section 1014). The accumulated capital gains die with him. The heirs sell the stock at the stepped-up basis, pay off the loan, and keep the entire upside tax-free The wealth transfers from Elon to his heirs entirely tax-free if structured correctly. Estate tax is a separate question but is largely avoidable through proper trust structures The ultra-wealthy version of this strategy: Borrow against appreciated stock Use the loan proceeds for consumption (homes, cars, art, business operations) Never sell the underlying stock Refinance the loan at maturity to extract more cash if the underlying has appreciated Pass everything to heirs at death with stepped-up basis Heirs sell with $0 in accumulated capital gains tax owed This strategy is sometimes called "buy, borrow, die" by tax planners. It's the foundation of how billionaire wealth perpetuates across generations without significant taxation Available products for this strategy: Pledged Asset Line (Schwab): borrow up to 50-70% of portfolio value at SOFR + 1-2% Securities Backed Line of Credit (Morgan Stanley, Goldman): similar terms, $1M+ minimum Custom Lending Solutions (private banking): for $10M+ portfolios, rates can drop to 1-2% The accessibility tier: If you have $100K+ in investment assets at Schwab/Fidelity/Vanguard, you can open a Pledged Asset Line. Typical terms: borrow up to 50% of your portfolio value at SOFR + 1.5-3% (current rates roughly 6-8% all-in). No fixed monthly principal payments. Interest only or pay nothing as long as the loan stays below the maintenance threshold For someone with $200K in stocks/ETFs: Borrow $100K at 6.5% Use the $100K for any purpose (real estate down payment, business operations, etc.) Annual interest cost: $6,500 Tax savings vs selling stocks: roughly $20,000-$30,000 in deferred capital gains Net benefit: $13,500-$23,500/year in tax savings during the borrowing period For someone with $1M in stocks/ETFs: Borrow $500K at 6.5% Use the $500K for real estate purchases, business equity, etc Annual interest cost: $32,500 Tax savings vs selling stocks: roughly $100,000-$150,000 in deferred capital gains Net benefit: $67,500-$117,500/year Comparison to the alternative: If you sell $500K in long-term appreciated stock to access cash: Federal capital gains at 15%: $75,000 owed State capital gains (varies): $20,000-$40,000 owed Net cash to you: $385,000-$405,000 If you borrow $500K against the same stock: Net cash to you: $500,000 Tax owed: $0 Annual interest cost: $32,500 Even paying $32,500/year in interest, you're $90K-$110K ahead in year 1 and the gap grows because your stock keeps appreciating while you hold it The compounding effect over 20 years: Person A sells $100K of Tesla stock at 15% capital gains, takes $85K. Spends it Person B borrows $100K against $100K of Tesla stock, takes $100K, spends it. Stock keeps growing at historical rate (let's say 20%/yr conservatively) 20 years later: Person A: stock is gone. Whatever they bought with $85K is whatever it is Person B: still owns the original $100K in Tesla, now worth $3.8M. Refinanced the loan multiple times. Currently owes maybe $200K against $3.8M in collateral. Net wealth on this position: $3.6M Same starting position. Different decision. $3.5M+ difference in 20 years Important caveats: The strategy works only when underlying asset is appreciating Margin call risk if asset value drops below maintenance threshold Interest costs accumulate over time and eventually reduce the net benefit if rates rise enough Some borrowing limits apply (typically max 50-70% of portfolio value) The strategy is most powerful for: Concentrated stock holdings in publicly traded companies (especially employee stock from tech companies, founder stock, ESOP grants) Large diversified portfolios held in taxable brokerage accounts Real estate equity (similar strategy via cash-out refinances) Business equity (some forms of borrowing available against ownership stakes) The strategy is least useful for: Small portfolios under $50K (interest costs eat any benefit) Retirement accounts (can't borrow against IRAs/401(k)s; some 401(k)s allow loans but limited to $50K) Assets without an established lending market (collectibles, private real estate that's hard to finance) The reason this isn't standard financial advice: Most financial advisors are compensated based on assets under management. They make more money when you keep assets invested. They don't necessarily make money when you optimize for cash extraction. The strategy is genuinely good for sophisticated clients but doesn't fit the standard advisor compensation model Banks DO know about this strategy. They actively market it to wealthy clients. The Pledged Asset Line and securities-backed line of credit products are billion-dollar businesses at every major brokerage. They're just not marketed to ordinary retail clients because the minimums and complexity make them inappropriate for mass market The threshold for accessing this strategy: $100K+ in liquid investment assets = entry-level access via Schwab/Fidelity $1M+ = full access to most products and competitive rates $10M+ = access to private banking rates of 1-2% $100M+ = Elon-level rates of essentially 0% real cost after tax deduction and stock appreciation At each tier, the math becomes more favorable. The richest Americans access this strategy at rates that mean borrowing $1B is essentially free relative to their portfolio appreciation Most middle-class Americans never use this strategy because: They don't know it exists They don't have $100K+ in taxable investment accounts They follow standard advice that says "live within your means and don't borrow" The wealthiest Americans use it constantly because: They have the assets They understand the math They follow advice from advisors who are sophisticated about tax optimization The gap between the two groups isn't talent. It's understanding that the tax code is written to reward holding assets indefinitely and penalize selling them. Selling = taxable event. Holding + borrowing = no taxable event. The system rewards never realizing gains Elon never sells Tesla. He never pays capital gains tax. The IRS doesn't collect a dollar from his accumulated wealth. The strategy is legal. It's mathematically optimal. And it's been written into the tax code since before any of us were born You don't need to be Elon to use this strategy. You need $100K and a Schwab account (we get business owners up to 250k in 0% interest business funding, link in bio)
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What’s one stock that will likely make you a $1,000,000 by 2030 with less than $50,000 used to invest? 👀
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Preakness is a tremendously wide-open race...
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Mark R. Levin
Mark R. Levin@marklevinshow·
Don’t look away. This is what Khamenei has done and is doing!
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Honest Abe@flyingpaster79·
@MarcoFoster_ Pray for the people of Iran suffering under the bloody tyranny of the gangster religious fanatic regime.
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Dave Chappelle on how Trump is doing as president: “You’re joking right? Nobody wants to feel this way. I don’t think anybody wanted a war. They definitely didn’t wanna arguably lose one. The presidency is no place for a petty person. Being a president seems like an opportunity to be a very unifying force and I feel like perhaps he’s squandered that opportunity, to put it lightly”
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Sean Perry
Sean Perry@seanperrywins·
I’m betting $1,000,000 on the GAME today Comment or dm me “NCAA” to get the play
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Sean Perry@seanperrywins·
It truly is incredible to have a best friend like little boy BENSSIIII Not many ppl are capable of making me $700K in a few hrs I really do you love you @JeffreyBenson12
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Sean Perry
Sean Perry@seanperrywins·
Listen up little boy bensieee I asked “could I get $300k or $500K or whatever your max is” with both of us knowing if you said $1 million I would’ve been there to bet $1 million on this easy winner as I’m always trying to get down more action. I have tons and tons of videos of my posting at your exact place looking for more action of you guys turning it down. Also I will not ever give you my exact position until I actually put in my bet to refrain from you guys moving the number on me before I actually make my bet. (A tactic I use all the time to help influence the market to move in direction I like and keep ppl from front running bets…maybe one day you’ll understand the logic when you want to step out from behind the counter little boy Job you have and start actually being a bettor for a living. Tbh you probably have even tried, but I’m sure you fail over and over again which is why you are where you are and I am where I am. BETTING MORE THAN YOUR YEARLY SALARY ON A SINGLE PLAY) Anyways man, pls jsut make sure you have the right amount of staff onboard this time so when I come to collect so I can make another video of me filling up another suitcase full of cash you don’t have to bitch again saying I’m holding up the line
Jeffrey Benson@JeffreyBenson12

@seanperrywins You asked for 300k or 500k, not $1M. And you bet the opposite side of what you told us you were going to bet. Don’t sit up here and posture and use us unnecessarily for clout.

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Trumpet player Tatiana Tate says she’d love to return to Dodger Stadium to perform “Narco” by Timmy Trumpet for Edwin Díaz’s entrance: "I would love to in any capacity. I would cartwheel onto that field. We will have a show.”
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Honest Abe@flyingpaster79·
Las Vegas Blvd. Iryna Zarutska.
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Resorts World Poker Room dealt their last hand of poker yesterday. They are now officially closed. This is the second Las Vegas Strip poker room to close in 2026, leaving eight left on the strip and four off strip. Resorts World Poker Room hosted the Pokerstars NAPT which saw declining attendance. While the room was nice, it was often empty. The poker room opened with the property in June 2021 and ran for just under 5 years.
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Dodgers Nation@DodgersNation·
A new trumpet player has been performing Edwin Diaz’s walkout song live in his first two games at Dodger Stadium and her name is Tatiana Tate 🎺 Her story is incredible. (W/ @noisebynoel)
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Honest Abe@flyingpaster79·
Elite 8 Bombs Purdue +6 Illinois -7 Michigan -7.5 ML Parlay Illini/Duke/Mich
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Vital Vegas@VitalVegas·
Casinos were right to freak out about the new law that limits gambling loss deductions to 90%, spooked a lot of gaming enthusiasts. We quit gambling (still play, but only with free play and winnings) for other reasons, but that Big Beautiful Botch hasn’t helped.
Howard Stutz@howardstutz

A disastrous start to 2026 - Strip gaming revenue fell 11% in January to $747.6M Every market in Southern Nevada - except North Las Vegas and Mesquite - fell in the month. Nevada overall was down than 6.5%. A good month from Northern Nevada softened the dip. @TheNVIndy @NevadaGCB

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