@bryanrbeal When I read these articles all I see is a municipality with engineers asleep on the job. Nobody's planning, monitoring, engineering anything?
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Fozziliny Moo 🏴
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Fozziliny Moo 🏴
@fozzmoo
Married dad. DevOps. Snark. Linux. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Photography/videography. Based/Constitutional politics. T1D. Utah.
Salt Lake City, UT Katılım Mayıs 2007
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There is so much misinformation and downright lies about data centers that it’s impossible to not be convinced this is a foreign propaganda campaign, and it’s working.
This article is a total crock. Most of the water went to things like pouring concrete during construction.
This is also a tiny amount of water compared to things like golf courses.
New York Post@nypost
Georgians outraged after data center drains 30M gallons of water amid drought conditions: report trib.al/4797mFm
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Data centers aren't uniquely energy-hungry. One aluminum smelter draws as much power as all of Nashville.
Utilities used to build power plants to meet that demand but today, regulations & litigation make that almost impossible.
We need more power plants, not fewer data centers.
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Nobody in America voted for the steam engine.
Nobody in America voted for powered flight.
Nobody in America voted for the microprocessor.
And thankfully, no one voted for American technological innovation to be policed by hysterical Karens on the internet.
Emerald Robinson ✝️@EmeraldRobinson
Nobody in America voted for data centers. Nobody in America voted for AI. Nobody in America voted for surveillance capitalism. The entire fabric of our society is being changed without the will of the people. Without a vote.
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I don't like how mean I'm getting on social media. I'm usually snarky and sarcastic but not mean. So, if I was mean to you, I apologize. I'll try harder to be better.
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Hordes of low IQ are flooding social media.
EMBER 🇺🇸@upliftandlift
And doofus wants to build an AI data center in Utah 🤪
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Hordes of low IQ are flooding social media.
Emerald Robinson ✝️@EmeraldRobinson
Nobody in America voted for data centers. Nobody in America voted for AI. Nobody in America voted for surveillance capitalism. The entire fabric of our society is being changed without the will of the people. Without a vote.
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@TheJTShow2024 @Anntrove @carolyn_phippen Lies. The data center is not the size of Salt Lake City. The property is. They're only going to build on like 2% of the property. Stop with the FUD.
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@fozzmoo @Anntrove @carolyn_phippen Data centers arent that big bad when they're Amazon warehouse sized, like the majority of the 4k data centers we have in the US compared to the 400 that China has. They have a while to catch up.
This datacenter is the size of half of SLC. if it were a city, it would be #3 in UT
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So, just curious - how much water does your lawn get before the government starts lecturing you?
‘Cause in George, one giant QTS data center, owned by Blackston, btw, quietly sucked down nearly 30 million gallons of water without even being billed. Ooopsie.
Residents were told to stop watering their grass while this thing became the county’s #1 water hog. No fines, just a polite ‘oops’ and a retroactive bill. They swear their close-looped system will make water use just about nothing soon. Once they’re fully built out.
Sound familiar, Utah? Our state just fast-tracked that massive Stratos hyperscale project — despite over a thousand people showing up and thousands more protesting the water grab. Supporters keep saying ‘relax, modern data centers don’t use that much water anymore’ with that fancy closed-loop magic. Yeah… and Georgia swore it was just ‘construction dust.’
So … Big Tech gets the water, we get the lectures and the shrinking lake. Oh, and this fiasco in Georgia only became public after a resident submitted a public records request that revealed a letter from 2025. The county government, ya know, the entity that’s supposed to work for the people, apparently didn’t think it was important to let them know about this little slip up.
But the water pressure had become so low, residents started asking questions. Funny, cause here in Utah, government just generally refuses to honor those records requests. They may still be secretive, but at least they’re honest in GA. Kinda. @Manhattva @VoteTrevorLee @Cernovich @DataRepublican
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@Anntrove @carolyn_phippen Data centers are not the Big Bad you think they are. Maybe you're the one O'Leary says is working for the CCP to protest Stratos.
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@fozzmoo @carolyn_phippen Socialism 101 .. we stand with the people who are energy and data independent .. you should move to the UK .. to pay up.
Ann N . 🇺🇸@Anntrove
@johnrich @wildangel1968 These Data Centers are literally building their own energy monopoly, Capturing our land, water, and resources, abusing their government appointments to then use tax funds to up charge the public. The facility use itself will increase our costs more, a modern GOLD RUSH Mafia .
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I unexpectedly lost my cousin, one of my best friends, and CPA/CFO last night.
It’s a shocking and catastrophic loss.
I may be on here less for a few days.
A huge loss.
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@ANY151161719021 @HedgieMarkets YOUR FACE is extremely dangerous and harmful. ⚠️
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@HedgieMarkets Data centres are extremely dangerous and harmful. ⚠️
The range of negative consequences is considerable … excessive water and energy consumption, noise, air pollution, chemical pollution and light pollution, etc.⛔️ ☠️ ☣️
x.com/ANY15116171902…
Enrico 🇩🇪🇺🇲🗽💙💙💙💙💙@ANY151161719021
Danger The Environmental & Health Impact of "Forever Chemicals" (PFAS) in AI Data Centers ⚠️☣️ 1. What are "Forever Chemicals" in AI Data Centers? The rapid growth of the AI industry has led to an increased reliance on PFAS (Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances), a group of over 10,000 synthetic chemical compounds. Primary Use: They are essential for liquid cooling technologies (specifically Immersion Cooling), where high-performance AI servers (GPU clusters) are submerged in non-conductive fluids. Specific Substances: Common examples include Novec 1230, FM-200, and various fluorinated gases (F-gases). Reason for Use: These chemicals are extremely stable, non-flammable, and possess superior dielectric and thermal properties required to cool high-density AI chips. 2. Impact on Cooling Water, the Environment, and Health Environmental/Water Impact: PFAS do not break down naturally in the environment (hence the term "forever chemicals"). They leak into soil and water systems through system leaks or improper wastewater disposal. Some F-gases degrade into Trifluoroacetic acid (TFA), which accumulates persistently in the global water cycle. Human Health Impact: PFAS are toxic and bioaccumulative, meaning they build up in the human body over time. Health Consequences: Scientific studies link PFAS exposure to cancer (kidney and testicular), liver damage, weakened immune systems (including reduced vaccine efficacy), and fertility issues. 3. The Reality of the Danger PFAS are classified as substances of very high concern. Their danger lies in their extreme persistence and ability to travel long distances through water and air. They are now detectable in the blood of almost every human and have entered the global food chain, where they remain for decades. 4. Filtration and Removal Challenges Removing PFAS from water is possible but requires complex and expensive specialized processes: Granular Activated Carbon (GAC): Adsorbs PFAS molecules. Ion Exchange Resins: Swaps PFAS ions for harmless ones. Reverse Osmosis: Uses high-pressure membranes to filter out molecules. Critical Note: Standard municipal wastewater treatment plants are unable to effectively remove PFAS. 5. Special Disposal Requirements Due to their hazardous nature and persistence, PFAS-containing waste requires strict regulatory handling. The Problem: They are nearly impossible to destroy. If incinerated at temperatures that are too low, they simply break down into other toxic PFAS variants. Solution: They must be disposed of in specialized high-temperature incineration facilities. 6. Conclusion: Are Data Centers Extremely Damaging? Evidence suggests that the impact is significant and potentially extreme, exacerbated by the AI boom: Resource Depletion: Data centers consume vast amounts of water for cooling, often in water-stressed regions. Toxic Footprint: The use of PFAS in cooling systems creates a "hidden" pollution source that is difficult to monitor and control. Climate Link: Many F-gases used in these facilities are potent greenhouse gases, thousands of times more warming than CO2.
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🦔A data center in Fayetteville, Georgia, drained approximately 30 million gallons of water through two industrial-scale hookups that the local utility did not know existed. One connection had been installed without the utility's knowledge, and the other was not linked to any account and therefore was not being billed. The discovery only came after residents complained about low water pressure.
The campus is still under construction with completion projected three to five years out. A separate incident in Tucson last week saw Project Blue's contractor caught trucking municipal water out of a city that had explicitly voted against the project, with Tucson revoking the temporary meter and demanding two acre-feet of water credits to make the city whole.
My Take
Two unrelated data center water incidents in two weeks across two different states is a pattern, not a coincidence. The Georgia facility was running off an unmetered industrial hookup nobody at the utility had on file, which means either a contractor installed it without authorization or the utility lost track of a connection serving a major customer, and neither of those explanations should make anyone comfortable. The construction phase alone consumed 30 million gallons before operations even began, which gives you a sense of the water demand profile these facilities have once they go live.
The bigger issue is that hyperscale data centers are being permitted under regulatory frameworks built for industrial users a fraction of their size, and the utilities responsible for tracking water use are not staffed for facilities this scale. A 30 million gallon discrepancy slipping through billing is not a clerical error, it is a sign that the infrastructure for monitoring these projects is being outpaced by the speed at which they are being built. Tucson caught their problem because a citizen made a phone call to a council staffer, and Fayetteville caught theirs because neighbors noticed their taps had lost pressure. Neither of those is a functioning compliance system, and the next community in this situation will probably not catch it at all.
Hedgie🤗
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If we look at the most disruptive technological advances in history we can also see predictions of widespread job loss. In the end, though, the new tech actually enabled the creation of many new jobs not possible before.
Uzi@UziCryptoo
Musk, worth $470 billion, plans to become a trillionaire by replacing workers with robots. Bezos, worth $256 billion, plans to replace 600,000 jobs with robots. Zuckerberg, worth $216 billion, laid off 17,000 workers. Billionaires aren't job creators. They're job destroyers.
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@ZacksJerryRig 29M gallons is not very much in a municipal context.
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You're next Utah.
Tom's Hardware@tomshardware
AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water consumption tomshardware.com/tech-industry/…
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@DisrespectedThe The replies on this post would indicate we're already in some pretty effed up times.
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These Data centers are going to usher in some very dark times in America.
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@DisrespectedThe I've been working in data centers since the early 1990s. They haven't hurt me yet.
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@Manhattva The tax incentives being offered are my biggest beef with this project. What's the value for Utah and Box Elder County if Stratos is getting a sweetheart deal? This is a huge project and the county and state should benefit fully from it.
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Terms for allowing the data center in Utah.
1. No H1B visas allowed for construction or full time jobs there.
2. Prioritize all full time hires from Utah and make the bar to hire from out of the state extremely high.
3. Make sure the power and energy that comes from gas pipelines is sourced from outside of Utah and will it result in a net increase in energy cost to Utahns. (Already done. Current pipeline comes from out of state and was dedicated to Oregon until they passed legislation to stop all new fossil fuels)
4. Even though it will not be using nearly as much water as the average person believes, make sure that it will result in being a net surplus of water to the state of Utah through assignment of water, rights, or far more ideally actually building pipelines to the state.
5. Demonstrate that it will provide a significant tax base that doesn’t currently exist. (already done. Current tax receipts for this property is $200,000 to box Elder County. Will result in $100 million annual tax base to Box Elder County and $250 million annually to the state of Utah.)
Those are my terms.
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@FREAKMMA1 I am convinced that gratitude is the fundamental right-wing emotion just as envy is the fundamental left-wing emotion.
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I learned how to stop the data center, how save the Great Salt Lake & our water rights! More to come 🥰
Benjamin Wood@BjaminWood
Sending city- and county-level elected leaders on trips to learn how the world works is a good thing, actually. #utpol
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They should be banned everywhere. They are destroying our country, and there isn’t a single benefit. They are useless.
Eric Moutsos@realericmoutsos
🚨"They cancelled it!!" New Jersey town just banned AI data centers.
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