@RollingHedge @WhiteHouse Stop. That would actually destroy the country and you know it.
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@anglopjdst 👍. Do not repeat the mistakes that were made in the US with ICE, which has effectively stopped mass deportations.
Putting deportation centres near leftists is very bad policy and will radically increase the likelihood of social unrest & would likely force Farage to u-turn.
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@friendly80an It’s hard because you have to try and balance the attempt to create a new norm while not going against the vibes based culture, big loud actions like this will result in big loud reactions
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@anglopjdst Completely agree. I've been making this point all day.
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I think it’s a mistake because British politics is completely vibes based, detention centres out in the middle of nowhere or Rightist areas could proceed with hundreds of thousands of deportations and as long as it’s not constantly in leftist faces they won’t mobilise
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@crankynotions @Laocailarry The simplest solution is to repeal it completely and end devolution entirely. Govern out of Westminster for the entire union.
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@crankynotions @Laocailarry To actually undue all the treachery of HRA, you will have to address devolution.
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Blair promised a Human Rights Act and we got one after a year. The Conservatives spent 13 years promising to repeal it.
They couldn't even keep friends like Roger Scruton and Toby Young in unpaid advisory positions.
If you can't even do patronage well you have no right to rule.
LaoCaiLarry@Laocailarry
I don’t get off on blowing a fox to bits, but I am in utter disbelief that the Tories spent 14 years in office and couldn’t throw their own constituency even one bone. Labour came in and immediately secured public sector pay rises in its first Budget
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@Eulipotyphla_OG Even if there was no upper house it wouldn’t matter bc legislation is written by “independent” bodies and civil servants, not MPs.
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@Eulipotyphla_OG Dude the HoL isn’t a hurdle to primary legislation in any capacity. It’s almost 1-yr, and less if you include in your manifesto due to Salisbury Convention.
How are you planning on controlling the legislative process? Are you going to overtake the OPC? How? What about GLS?
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If the anklebiting (on where 20-40 secure detection facilities for illegal migrants need to go) has taught us anything.
It is that Reform need to abolish the House of Lords, and halve the time required to pass primary legislation.
The Government cannot be hobbled by the courts.
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision Like I said previously,
How do you plan on subverting the professional activist class and the leftist ngo-complex?
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision It’s actually not different at all to what happened in the US. It would play out almost identically, esp given Trump backed down after unrest and media pushback.
Perfectly acceptable for comparison.
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The mental gymnastics on display here, contorting oneself into arguing that immigrant detention facilities are a good thing because of "jobs" just because one has to oppose everything said by Reform. Completely unserious.
Charlie Downes@cfdownes_
Utterly pointless stupid policy. Why is having an illegal migrant deportation facility in one’s area a bad thing? Is Reform Yookay implying that the illegals will be free to roam around and put locals in danger? Why intentionally place them in areas where protests and roadblocks at both the street and parliamentary level are more likely? Is owning the libs really a priority right now? If anything, it makes more sense to place them in the most patriotic areas of the country. Create jobs, give local people the opportunity to play a part in cleaning up their town and restoring order and safety in Britain, and ensure that any attempts at sabotage are swiftly and forcefully shut down. Pure slop.
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision You want these ppl *housed as far away as possible from the activists and regime apparatchiks who will try to prevent deportations entirely
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision The coordination between the activist class, ngo community, and local govt will (likely) cause mass social unrest to prevent deportations.
This is what caused social unrest in Minnesota with ICE to a large extent.
Farage will u-turn and no one will get deportations.
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision Hard to think of a more counterproductive policy than placing deportation centres in “enemy” territory, giving them the ability to have influence over the continuation of the project.
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision No. Many of them will welcome it as a gift.
It will allow them to completely prevent and stop the deportation project.
They will (likely) control all aspects of local govt, schools, all aspects of local social life all of which will then coordinate and cause mass social unrest
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@Garethhello @PositivFuturist Yes. If any of this foolhardy policy were to be implemented, then it would be a gift to leftists.
There would be mass social unrest, and Farage would, almost certainly, u-turn.
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@PositivFuturist @friendly80an The plan doesn't make sense because you are essentially putting these places in enemy territory.
You will have protests, break ins and outs. Large scale organised and locally powerful resistance.
These facilities need to be far away from all of that
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Carl is right.
We’re trying to birth a new political paradigm that will eventually sweep all of Europe and perhaps beyond.
In war, you don’t pick battles that exclusively optimise for emotional satisfaction or enemy pain.. You make cold, calculated decisions that lead to lasting victory.
Believe it or not - some of today’s Green voters will eventually vote Restore.. most people don’t have deep thought out political positions but simply wash around with the prevailing political winds.
Carl Benjamin 🏴@Sargon_of_Akkad
Terrible, vindictive, ideological politics. Not a responsible steward of the land, but instead a partisan attack on political opponents because a percentage of the constitutency voted the wrong way. Atrocious.
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision Provoking leftists by housing them close will cause many of them to organise and disrupt.
These are legitimate concerns. Not mere political partisanship.
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@EspressoLucid @HeracleanVision How do you plan on subverting the professional activist class and the leftist ngo-complex?
If your goal is to get rid of as many ppl as possible, you want to maintain order, and limit the ability for organised leftist chaos to dismantle the agenda.
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