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Nicely done. Katılım Ağustos 2020
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@punkstri Thank you Lina! Right?! The direct result of giving LN the new front suspension and branching off in that direction with the wind tunnel and CFD use means the effectiveness of the upgrades becomes less and less significant on OP's car in comparison to LN's as they accumulate 🙃
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lina@punkstri·
@froggothon This was a very good read! I'm also glad you mentioned the front suspension steering and upgrades at the end as well, they're extremely relevant despite many people sadly not bringing it up much anymore. Would be interesting in reading your 2026 if you make one!
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lina@punkstri·
Please take the time to read this, very great points were made!!
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Henry Williams@HenryWi86212968·
@piastrezz Piastri didn't lose to Norris, he lost to McLaren. I think that's fair, it's too much of a conindence that every strategy, 50/50 call went for Lando over Oscar.
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@ElPredestinato This is exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw that post
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Rey@froggothon·
@oscgoat When was that first quote from about the crashing?
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Rey@froggothon·
By incorrect penalty for Silverstone I’m saying that a penalty should absolutely not have been given at all - for a plethora of reasons that I can elaborate on. (Palmer provided an analysis on YouTube that covers some of this if you’re interested)
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2025 Season Summary of all the points and cases of all the bad luck / injustice Oscar and Lando faced relative to each other: (This is a very brief version, I’m happy to expand in replies)
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Rey@froggothon·
@HenryWi86212968 @BoxBoxAndStop @charleslechair But I’ve never worked in F1, I may be overestimating how much control they have over these factors.Just strange they spent so much time and money developing a new setup for the underperforming driver when he’s consistently on podiums and their other driver is consistently winning
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Rey@froggothon·
@HenryWi86212968 @BoxBoxAndStop @charleslechair the other if one literally has a different front suspension and personal set up choices. But there’s still a lot of unknowns - shame we cant just have access to all the exact setup decisions.
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Rey@froggothon·
@HenryWi86212968 @Sedici_Ferrari Just seen this - it really does all seem to tie in, probably just another outcome of LN seeming to be trying to be really firm about adjusting the car for him and I imagine you’ve seen the article about one of the engineers saying the upgrades were ‘biased’ towards him
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Henry Williams@HenryWi86212968·
@Sedici_Ferrari Also, Lando post race Mexico was asked what had changed to make him perform so well, and he said after Singapore he said to team if you don't change X we won't win anymore races. Maybe that aggressive RH thing was what he was referring too.
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Anee@Sedici_Ferrari·
#F1 McL double DSQ!! My review post on Mexico didn’t gain much traction because it wasn’t about my team but about McL. But in that post, I made the case that McL was likely being very aggressive with ride-heights on Lando’s car. The following is a snippet from one of my replies in the post about Lando using a speed-limiter to restrict top-speed (Lando was also using a speed-limiter in #LasVegasGP). “In the late 50s and 60s laps, he was actively limiting his engine output (probably via the red button his race engineer mentions) to 11,100 rpm on the straight to T1 while PIA was doing ~11,500 rpm. Most people even if they are saving, tend to just lift way before the braking point and not cut engine output. Such active management of engine output on straights is atypical and no one seems to have observed this or was talking about it. Also why start doing it only when speeds on straights had started rising. If Lando was only saving engine components, he could have started this engine output cut long ago because he was way ahead of Charles!” McL could get away then as #Leclerc in P2 didn’t have the pace in SF25 to chase him (and force him to go fast which would’ve caused plank wear) and #Verstappen was hampered by the misguided updates they got to Mexico. In Vegas, however, looks like McL got caught with low ride-heights on both cars! Although it begs the question - why do it? Lando was comfortably in the lead. He just had to get a few points to secure the WDC. Unnecessary greed in my opinion!
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MEX(L)ICO GP: A game of ride-heights? I’m deviating from usual proceedings and posting about McL before Ferrari (covered in 2nd part of thread), because McL appears to be showing a big difference in the setup for its 2 drivers. Such a noticeable difference seems very odd given both its drivers are in contention for WDC. During FP1 & FP2 sessions at Mexico while McL always showed strong race pace, it didn’t really have a huge advantage in Quali. Then in FP3, #Lando went in for a setup change and Bernie commented that they’re changing his ride-height (see video below). After that change (which I presume was to lower the ride-height), Lando absolutely blitzed the field in quali sim. Norris likely carried that setup into Quali & Race as well. Based on telemetry, I get the sense that the ride-height they chose for Lando was overly-aggressive to gain Quali performance. But it needed a lot of management in the race to avoid plank wear. The chart below shows Lando's speed going into Turn 1 on various laps. He was doing Lico until Lap 50. Then on lap 53, he is instructed by his race engineer to press the red button longer into T1 (snapshot shown below). This is likely some kind of speed limiter (by cutting ERS?) because all laps after that have a low top-speed (<318 kmph) - even lower than the speeds seen earlier in the race on more fuel. At higher top speeds, greater dwf pushes the car further towards the ground, risking plank wear. If you are marginal on ride-height/plank wear, then it would make sense to constrain your top-speed on the straight towards Turn 1, especially when you are running lighter (which typically makes you faster). But it looks like only Lando was managing this extensively and not #OscarPiastri Towards the last few laps (shown in chart), there is huge difference in top-speeds on straight towards T1 between LN and OP as LN has a sort of speed limiter on since lap 53. LN is also doing more LiCo into T4 and T12 compared to OP even though OP was the one who was almost always in dirty air. Given LN had to do so much more management, my theory is that he was running a much lower ride-height than OP. This would then also explain the difference in their quali performance. OP has generally been strong in high speed corners this yr. However, he has to lift in high speed T8-T9-T10 compared to LN for Quali and lost time there. LN was also peerless in the change of direction corners. Typically, when you are running low ride-height, the great dwf being created helps immensely in high-speed and in change in direction performance. So looking at the quali lap differences and the higher degree of management that LN had to do during the race, I think LN was running a much lower ride-height than OP. Question is who decided on this setup strategy - Did @OscarPiastri decide to not use the same ride-height as LN? But why? This year has been a quali championship of sorts and Mexico is difficult to overtake in. So why hand over such a large grid position advantage to his main championship rival? #F1 #McLaren #Norris #Piastri

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Rey@froggothon·
@BoxBoxAndStop @sushiluvbot Exactly, along with the lovely 'hold positions' in Albert Park-not even halfway through the first race of the bloody season and they're already using team orders against Oscar after they've repeatedly said that there'll be no team orders this season-McLaren just can't stop lying
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@sushiluvbot People would rather believe PR bullshit than do some research themselves. China & Miami both low grip, Oscar won both. You could even add in Albert Park where Oscar was all over Norris’ ass until they both went off track.
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Rey@froggothon·
@BoxBoxAndStop @charleslechair Suggesting there's no care for oscar's position with it. Oscar needs to get out of there as there's clearly no intention to end the Norris bias - not to mention everything else McLaren has done this year to make sure Norris would win!
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@BoxBoxAndStop @charleslechair an upgrade to their cars the pace gap between the physical cars become bigger, meaning OP's car progressively became literally slower than LN's- it's outrageous and 3 months ago one of the mcl head engineers said that next year they'd make sure Lando would be happy with the car!
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