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@dvsch @advadnoun Or just make fun of people for thinking that being an artist means making pretty pictures when obviously what it really means is that you work really hard on making pretty pictures that mean a lot to you or something, as if that's somehow a better view.

@glyphvariant @advadnoun There’s probably a decent amount of literature within media art and experimental moving picture to at least provide direction. And instead people want to talk about painting or concept art for commercial films or something. Just really weird.

always funny that the "real art knowers" on here clearly have never engaged with video art or found filmmaking otherwise they might have a better framework for discussing ml art

@dvsch @advadnoun Meanwhile, lots of people seem to be pretending not only that they already know, but also that it's definitely bad and definitely not artistic. Like, how did you get there so quickly? Probably just wading through noise, but really disconcerting nonetheless.

@dvsch @advadnoun Posted something earlier in a similar vein, I think. As an outsider, I'm just trying to figure out how we might even BEGIN to theorize about what ML/AI art practioners are actually up to...

@images_ai Another one that gets me is "if you can't see any differences between x and y, then I can't help you." Like, no, I see LOTS of differences between x and y, but which ones do you think are relevant, and what do you think they tell us about whatever you're talking about? Help me.

The "you can't compare AI to a human using references, they're completely different" argument is so silly to me. What do you think a comparison is? If they were the same thing we would not be comparing them.

@TobiasWustefeld @advadnoun I've seen many photographers' Polaroid work exhibited alongside their more "serious" work, which I think nicely illustrates the point that whether something is a work of art is determined largely by the intentions with which it was created, not how difficult it was to make.

Some prompters are like: "Don't worry, I took 5 months doing post-processing on this image." -- as if photography (a good and obviously valid art form) can't be done in a single click.

@alexqgb @Sheilaaliens @KaliYuga_ai This has been rattling around in my head, too, especially since I've yet to run into anyone in the "fine" arts (broadly) who feels threatened by AI. When they hear about what's going on here, the response is usually "maybe there's something interesting here? idk lmk." 🤷‍♂️

@alexqgb @Sheilaaliens @KaliYuga_ai Minimally, the (unintended?) disdain with which many AI critics dismiss non-expressionistic artists seems significantly more anti-artist than anything I've seen come from the AI people.

@alexqgb @Sheilaaliens @KaliYuga_ai I'm still sympathetic to peoples' economic concerns with respect to how these systems might affect our (and especially working artists') lives, but it really doesn't help that no one arguing against AI "art" seems to have even a cursory understanding of the philosophy of art...

Constructivist spaces. #wip #aiart #midjourney #stablediffusion

@memotv If I were still in academia, I'm not sure I would be able to keep myself away from debates like this, so I'm hoping someone is able to push these issues to forefront sooner rather than later. Would love to see what people are thinking.

@memotv By rapidly expanding the amount of entertainable counterfactual possibilities available to individuals engaged in creative production, for example. Definitely lots to think about, though, especially with respect to early development!

Current txt2img AI tools expand our imagination similar to how calculators expand our ability to calc. Today we can perform far more complex calcs thx to our tools, but we've lost the ability to perform them in our head. In the long run will these AI tools kill our imagination?

@memotv Whether this will ultimately enrich or impoverish our imaginings and/or mental visualizations, however, is anyone's guess, though I expect debates about these matters to become increasingly more important as the relevant technologies develop. plato.stanford.edu/entries/conten…

@memotv Probably just being pedantic, but it sounds like you may be conflating our ability to imagine with our ability to generate mental visualizations. If what's at issue is the former, then no, I think these tools will just (partly?) externalize, not destroy...