@heyjay_xo Should’ve put like dabura adapted Mahoraga or something him just being fully adapted makes him the default winner because nothing they do is killing him
@NDCollectiveLLC@Charlie12_60@OkpaniOfWeb3_@heyjay_xo@grok Because he’s never gotten to the point.
Is ability is adapting and becoming immune to the attack meaning if he’s fully adapted he’s basically invincible to the person he’s adapted too.
@Charlie12_60@OkpaniOfWeb3_@heyjay_xo@grok has gege ever made a mention of fully adapted mahoraga meaning he has adapted to everything possible and/or everything in fiction or is this all fan made
@SayeReign@vLazurus@Mdso_Va1 Doesn’t really matter here.
Gojo almost killed sukuna during their fight and he had all 20 fingers so a 15 finger one would’ve lost.
He doesn’t know how strong Gojo is and thought he had him whenever he couldn’t pop is domain.
He thought very little of Gojo before their fight.
@vLazurus@Mdso_Va1 Sukuna at this point experienced unlimited void inside of Yuji, seen purple, tamed Mahoraga, influencing 2 souls & has Megumi’s memories Gojo’s technique plus lore regarding 6 eyes bearer with limitless and inheritor of 10 Shadows technique. Sukuna always had advantage over Gojo.
One harsh truth: 15F Sukuna when he first met Gojo right after being unsealed, was capable of defeating him.
Sukuna isn’t foolish enough to take such a risk unless he was confident in himself🥶
@dlroWdetrevnIyM@therealpat545 “I have opening in my fighting style but you taking advantage of them isn’t true strength just run at me instead of using my faults to your advantage” is what he basically said
@godfirefox1@therealpat545 No this isn’t true. Jiren is more powerful than PUI Goku but cannot land a hit on Goku due to Goku’s speed. Instead of increasing his Ki, Jiren learns to adapt to Goku’s movement and states that Goku is not strong, he’s just exploiting weaknesses
He couldn’t damage Jiren at all
@dlroWdetrevnIyM@therealpat545 That just doesn’t make sense.
Jiren is much stronger than everyone then how would he ever get pushed off it would be impossible according to your logic.
Also why wouldn’t Jiren just increase his ki? You can overpower techniques with pure strength so him adapting makes no sense
@godfirefox1@therealpat545 This is further reiterated by Vegeta for those who didn’t get it first time
Jiren loses to team work, he doesn’t lose because of power levels as he literally defeats everyone in a 1v1. Him being caught off guard and not knowing 17 was in the ring is why he lost. Power irrelevant
@FranKashimista The only time they ever went all out was against Gohan in which trunks was knocked out so he couldn’t sense their energy.
In the manga it’s a different story however anime Gohan is definitely the strongest
@FranKashimista Gohan
Vegeta
Goku
Trunks
Gohan IS the strongest the androids being weaker in the future timeline is just wrong. Trunks never saw them at full power meaning he’s going based of the two fights they had were they weren’t trying he’s not a actual source
@DiomarP26660630@pg0meta@FranKashimista That’s literally just not true Gohan was shown to overpower both the androids in a beam struggle while Vegeta was being toyed with and Vegeta is equal to Goku and trunks is the weakest
@GoblinVolitive@ScribblezMusic@Alchemist8565 What I’m saying is that he knew was going to get erased why not just kill Moro in the process.
If you know your dying tomorrow he’d do whatever you wanted because you know it ends soon, since he used his powers a took a side just kill Moro.
@godfirefox1@ScribblezMusic@Alchemist8565 what are even trying to argue here? he used his angel abilities and got erased yea thats what happened. he would have killed moro if he was allowed.
@dlroWdetrevnIyM@therealpat545 Was burning energy while using UI while Jiren wasn’t and was able to keep is power under control which led to this happening.
UI Goku is slightly stronger than Jiren but Goku not mastering UI make him burn his energy too fast while Jiren wasn’t.
@dlroWdetrevnIyM@therealpat545 Still doesn’t explain why Jiren would just let himself lose.
If was so strong he should’ve been capable of dog walking the entire cast and not struggle but he clearly lost so it doesn’t really fix your argument.
If I’m not mistaken this only happen because Goku-
@JordisonKa92019@LfcGravvy@GalacticMj I’ll give you that.
But what about Frieza who was literally able to stop Sidra haki ball and control it Goku by this point is FAR stronger than Frieza so the wish should’ve made him stronger than at least sidra
@godfirefox1@LfcGravvy@GalacticMj Whis has always been called an angel never as a god being, God of destruction candidate still isn't GoD level it's the same as toppo was, even current Goku who is miles stronger than granolah is still not stronger than Beerus.
@dlroWdetrevnIyM@MakiScaler You an actual idiot.
Why in the world would Jiren risk his entire universe getting erased because he “hold back” sure against weaker opponents but UI was putting BTA on him he wouldn’t just run everything like that.
He was also crashing out against UI so why would he hold back
@MakiScaler We see Jiren power up after this moment
But in general Jiren always holds back against all
His opponents no matter how strong they are. Goku doesn’t hold back, he gets one shot
@JordisonKa92019@LfcGravvy@GalacticMj Whis and Beerus count as gods btw.
Vegeta was literally stated post mori arc but before this arc happened that he was strong enough before he even got UE to be a GOD candidate in another universe and by the time he makes the wish he IS stronger than a SSBE Vegeta
@LfcGravvy@GalacticMj He is the strongest in the universe yet he is still weaker than the gods which is the whole point he is the strongest mortal life form. The panel itself says gods not God even if we could a single universe.
@DivineTitan35@therealpat545@GalacticMj Technique are constantly shown to be useless if the person is much stronger than the technique user.
Frieza literally was able to control a haki from a GOD.
Beast gohan was strong enough to overpower the UI technique and hit him
@therealpat545@GalacticMj Having context is very important Belmod is only weaker in battle power specifically not overall especially when Belmod has destruction techniques that Jiren does not have. Herms pointed this out in the original Japanese text. This matters because Belmod has Ultra Ego
@dlroWdetrevnIyM@therealpat545 Jiren lost to a weaker Goku than the one we saw in the Moro arc so why is this even a debate.
Goku himself literally said that Moro was the strongest opponent he’s ever fought up to that point which would include Jiren
@myseriyangungsa@GalacticMj Ya BEERUS the strongest GOD all the others are extremely below him.
He even says post Moro arc that Vegeta is strong enough to be a GOD candidate for another universe and Beerus deadass wipes the floor with him no problem at all
@LillChann@faded_r36@GalacticMj@Alchemist8565 That’s just false.
Going by your logic then frieza shouldn’t have been capable of controlling the haki?
They also shouldn’t really fear Zeno or the GP since if they could just erase them