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@SuzanneBos43679 @KyleSchumann08 @JanieChuckles @secularprolife I don’t know. Sitting around in a public forum spitballing good reasons to not kill and enslave people, like Plato and Aristotle and shit, sounds like a pretty good use for this platform. Maybe prevent a little of it in the world?

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 People who actually want to kill you, tend to kill you. Otherwise, it’s just words. This is all just thought crime.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 What harm? You aren’t dead. You’re typing. You’re perceiving a threat that doesn’t seem to exist.

Does it really even matter if homosexuality is natural or not? We drive cars, we eat processed foods, we live in big houses made by big machines. Nothing we do is natural, so why should I care if the way I date and have sex is natural?

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Hate crime is thought crime. Murder is murder. Calling it a hate crime is just an attempt to make it sound MORE murdery.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 A: life is a lottery. It’s not fair. This is just idealism. Grow up. B: you want gay deaths to be viewed with extra scrutiny through a lense of your choosing.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 It isn’t for me. Because I don’t live in how I think the world “aught” to be. You appear to think the world should be a certain way, but isn’t. Unrealistic expectation.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 What even is this? Like do you just want everything to be shit and miserable?

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 That wasn’t a denial. Just a justification.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 The DIFFERENCE that you keep ignoring is that the marginalised are the victims and the bigots the abuser. We didn’t bite first. They did. We didn’t inflict harm. They did. You cannot conflate reactions to their behaviour as synonymous with being the initia victim of the behaviour

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Yeah, that isn’t what you said. Ostracized and no longer protected by the law.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 There’s also nuance here. Someone who legitimately wants gay people killed VS someone who’s an uneducated moron and goes “ew icky” aren’t the same and shouldn’t be treated the same. One is a homocidal detriment and the other needs a nice conversation with a gay person.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Do gay people present with a traumatic history? I disagree with the lack of pathology. Almost every one I have met has.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Being gay is normal because it is not pathologically induced and does not fit statistical criteria of an abnormality. Stop pretending these facts aren’t there so you can keep making the same assertion. I will simply stop replying if you cannot accept a fact.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 B. And understanding that feeling, you want to willfully inflict in on another group.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 B. I have. Marginalisation has a definition. The subjugation of gay people fits the definition of marginalisation. Therefore gay people are marginalised.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 I view certain heterosexual behaviors as complex masturbation. It’s not limited to homosexuals. I have no negatives views. I said it was abnormal. You applied the negativity to the monicker.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 A. Homophobia has an objective definition, you don’t get to malform it. It encompasses negative attitudes, aversion to, or fear of. You have negative attitudes to. Calling gay sex “complex masturbation” is a degrading homophobic belief *you* hold.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 The world hasn’t always been fair and still isn’t!! Why wasn’t I told. The poor me argument doesn’t hold water.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Legal protection also goes far beyond murder. Gay couples weren’t allowed to own houses together. Gay couples weren’t given the legal protections marriage provides.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 A: then don’t go to those parts of the world until they change their views. B: dead is dead. One life doesn’t matter more than another.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Are you being willfully obtuse or are you just this ignorant? A. It is legal to kill gay people on the axis of their sexuality in multiple parts of the world and *was* in many others B. No, it doesn’t make them less dead, but it makes their unjust killing uniquely charged.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 You claim a marginalization that doesn’t exist. It’s just what you would do if your ideology was normalized and not theirs. Which is a good reason to prevent you as you the one for reeducation and internment.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 You have not been able to prove a single of your assertions yet still have the nerve to assert them.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 So the harm you feel is occurring TO you through perceived prejudice. Is it unjustifiable? Or do you advocate for the harm of forcing your belief on others. Both have the same outcome and intent.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Yes and I said harm can be justified? Like lol

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 It’s no different than removing all the “bigots” from society. Which is what you’re advocating for. Further, you identify ME as one for removal.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 run that logic further to justify removing racial minorities from the collective. Or intersex people from the collective. But yet, arbitrarily, you recognise those as the bigotry that it is. The only symmetry breaker here is that you’re homophobic and not racist.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 If you can choose your gender without proving any objective evidence, then you can effectively choose your sexual orientation. Being gay isn’t limited to humans. Existing in nature doesn’t mean normal.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 To justify your point B you’d also have to prove that being gay is a choice when you can’t, because it isn’t. Being gay is an immutable human trait. We’re also back to square one of you justifying “removing a trait from a collective” where I can simply-

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 A: it’s a belief. I don’t fear you or have an irrational aversion. I’m indifferent. B. You haven’t proven anything. You are simply declaring the morality of you belief as indisputable.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 A. It is. I don’t “believe” homophobia to be XYZ. I know what homophobia is. You just deny it because you are homophobic B. They are victims of bigotry, you keep asserting our marginalisation isn’t real when I’ve proved it definitional multiple times and you count *disprove* it.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Legal protection? It’s illegal to kill people isn’t it? Does how or why somehow make them less dead?

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 The pragmatic application is social ostracisation of young boys and girls just because they like another boy or girl in their class. It’s a lack of legal protections for them. It’s a lack of education for them.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 You’re not proving anything. And no, it doesn’t hurt me in any way. You’re expressing an opinion.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 marriage is something many people literally think I should die for. That is harmful regardless of material legislative impact. Which brings me to my second point. You cannot divorce these ideologies from their pragmatic application.

@3Caramelg122 @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 That isn’t absence of harm. It’s just risk management.

@hoodbrigands @Bard_Oduir @Fishythefox2 Once the procedure is completed there isn’t lasting harm done, though. It is a temporary harm for a worthy goal, especially for how easy and risk free these surgeries are.