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@AericForce And all of them will be powercreeped by new ones who have to be much stronger to make sense to be pulled (to be sold). And we know these characters will be released cause one of them is Archon and the second one is off-field character for Cyno and Wrio

people neeeed to let go of this “Sandrone doesn’t even have any supports” the buffed characters serve that exact purpose omg

@jaxonfiles_ @Roxas_Kinnie @biridesbenerer It’s nothing cause how will they sell new characters then if they will not be much stronger than current ones? ATM Sandrone has 2 dead slots and Yae who will be 100% worse than dedicated Electro. QiQi will be replace by Archon and Archon can’t be even remotely close to them

@biridesbenerer the "no real supports" argument is kinda weak. The buffed characters are very solid. Qiqi at C0 does more than what a C6 Aino does in Lunar teams. C1 Yae does >600k DPR with no shred and even gives 40% SSC DMG teamwide on top of that.

The concept of a character with no real supports being better than big bad powercreep archon Mav on launch

@GenshinTgs @frogbogdog3b6x And any of these will be worse (even much worse in case of Xilo) than Lunar

@hyeniche @frogbogdog3b6x Citlali C6, Xilonen C2, any Nicole constellation

A silverlining about Sandrone is that while her baseline seems to be above p much any DPS that came out before her, her Constellations & sig are not above standards If they keep this up in general in Snez, this means that your highly invested older characters will still hold up

@frogbogdog3b6x @GenshinTgs Each of these cons are much weaker than Lunar (especially Xilo)

@hyeniche @GenshinTgs I mean I could get more arle cons, Nicole c6, Citlali c6, xilonen cons, and weapons. I wouldn’t say “nothing else”

@Zoros_husband 80-85k atm on 3 character team

@hyeniche Wrio is already 100k dps on a 3 character team, he doesn’t much to be good

I think Sandrone isn't gonna get a tailored support. I do think we're getting a Stella Superconduct support, but i think they are gonna be less impactful than the usual essentially (Lauma/Ineffa), but more like Nicole or Durin instead

@FlipMeAC Not even close, tho, and has no possible future improvements from new characters

It's surprisingly decent?

@KAGEN_JOUGEN There have to be one otherwise what banner that 4* will be then? All modern 4* are released with their 5* teammates

So theyre balancing sandrone by not giving her a dedicated 5* support or....

@KAGEN_JOUGEN We know there will be dedicated 5* support

@GenshinTgs @frogbogdog3b6x It doesn’t matter how strong their investments in a vacuum cause their investments multiply each other. How many c2 in the game as strong as c2 Lauma for example

@hyeniche @frogbogdog3b6x Arle melt has plenty of high ceiling investment paths. It's one of the best whale teams

@RevBaskerville You have to consider it cause HSR characters are balanced around their signatures or early cons. There are almost no characters that would be decent if your team cost is less than 3 if not much more and to be really good it’s 5+ cost

@hyeniche I dont really consider sigs much in this equation, since theres a lot to consideration in terms of economy on top of relative power gain, only systems that are borderline free like NTE are easy to grasp there

It baffles me how people can think that pulls per limited character only applies when u want all characters. Guys the ratio is the same no matter if u want all, half, quarter or whatever. Unless u vastly prefer designs from one game over another, the ratio is constant

@frogbogdog3b6x @GenshinTgs And no future possible investments at all

@GenshinTgs My c2 r1 arle doing 235k in melt. This been true for a while now tbh

@_xddemian @FlipMeAC Don’t pull Nicole for Sandrone. Even if she’s bis now (I highly doubt) and will not be replaced next patch (she will be) she’s 1-2k dps increase over next option. No shred in the team -> Escoffier/Xilo are at least the same

@FlipMeAC There’s no way you’re telling me I’m gonna have to go ACTUALLY explore summeru to get Nicole on a 50/50 right? Like she can be switched to Benny…right?

SANDRONE HOW HIGH WILL YOUR CEILING GO 140K WITH C6 QIQI?!!! 130K WITH C0?!??!?!?!

@jj__yy13 @Roxas_Kinnie oh, I see, you are d*mb. Your initial comment.

@hyeniche @Roxas_Kinnie no we were talking about sandrone and meta before u inserted urself into the convo talking about wrio and cyno❤️ 1. op talking about sandrone, meta, and zibai❤️ 2. me talking about future meta relative to zibai❤️ 3. u talking about none of those things❤️ learn to read❤️

The Sandrone buffs kinda scare me ngl. She was already looking to be a bit too strong with future supports in mind, now I'm pretty sure she'll powercreep Zibai with her complete team. Damn...this game is gonna get worse and worse in terms of powercreep

@Filz00ka @lovelykianaa @shiinastan Not even remotely close. Phainon and any Energy-related character are much more shilled than Rememberence not to mention its E9 shill not Rememberence. Nikador is The Herta/Aglae shill so what?

@hyeniche @lovelykianaa @shiinastan Even if Lygus shills no one, Remembrance still hard-counters him, especially with Evernight.

we can agree elation shill is worse than remembrance shill right

@ryanuzuha Because at c0 he was never good

It's crazy how phainon didn't even last a year

@Internextion Clear every MoC 0-1 cycles since 3.5 using the same DoT and Rememberence

do people not understand that you always aim for minimal cycle clears, 0 or not, because it helps you prepare for oncoming hp inflation and anti-shill if you 1 cycled current moc, you are likely to 1 or 2 cycle next moc if you 4 cycled, you may take 5 or 6, which is worrying

@jj__yy13 @Roxas_Kinnie The only way to improve them is to pull new characters. And only one will not be even remotely enough to be playable. And other old characters will not be able to play with Stellar at all or it will be Nahida type value in Nefer’s team

@hyeniche @Roxas_Kinnie only one (1) character is required to activate stellar reactions❤️ you can replace the future electro stellar conduct off fielder with yae since sandrone is already activating stellar conduct❤️ that is is called team flexibility❤️