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@incon1807 @Brook_Potter What happened to the people who lived in those areas before the arabs invaded?
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Islam will not survive the internet age.
GodLogic_GL@GodLogic_GL
MUSLIMS: "Avery, go debate the scholars 😭😭😭" THE SCHOLARS:
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@ViolentBoiling_ @Brook_Potter Mass massacring, you and mongols were no different in reality
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@incon1807 @Brook_Potter Reclaiming christian lands from arabs who had conquered it earlier is worse than the mongols?
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He may have slaughtered them, but it was mostly enslaving them
He was incorrect with his rules of conduct with regard to war so we say may God rectify his affairs, but this doesn’t exclude the fact that he still ended the biggest evil at the time of his life, arguably worse than the mongols
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@incon1807 @Brook_Potter so slaughtering and enslaving the ENTIRE Christian population dosent include women and children? there was zero Christian women and children in antioch?
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@incon1807 @HarounKanj @muslimorthodoxy harb al kirmani in al sunnah part of his masail and uthman ibn said al darimi too and abd al wahab al warraq said allah sits on the throne
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If you read the section I sent you on Ibn Taymiyah, you would’ve seen that if “Jism” means that God is a concrete existent that is spatial and can be “pointed” to in a direction, then he accepts that meaning as it corresponds with the Quran and Sunnah! While rejecting the Lafdh “Jism” as it is not affirmed by the Quran and Sunnah.
You also made some unjustified inferences that God is 3 dimensional.
You said that we believe God has a “Hadd” if understood correctly, then this is affirmed by the early predecessors! I refer you to a book called “إثبات الحد لله"
You also said we must believe that God is composed of parts, if a part is defined as something belonging to the subject and lesser than the subject, then this is affirmed! If it means something separable from the subject like a Lego piece, this is negated. We reject classically theism so we have no reason to uphold ancient Aristotelian and Platonic commitments.
All you did was restate our position, you have not shown how any of this results in a metaphysical or logical issue.
You on the other hand Dr. Khalil have conceded modal collapse because of your absurd commitments to ADS
Khalil Andani, PhD@KhalilAndani
Congrats @muslimorthodoxy you just conceded that the God you worship IS a body without using the word jism. The Taymiyya quote you gave me is incomplete and doenst add any defense to your belief. On the next 2 pages the author admits God is spatially extended and can be pointed to. If, as you believe, God is both concrete and spatial - it necessarily follows that He is 3 dimensional (has height, width and depth) and His substance extends over the 6 spatial directions. It also follows that God does not spatially overlap with any creature (in your view), which means God’s 3 dimensions each have a limit / boundary (hadd) in at least one side of each of the six spatial directions. It also follows that God is something that can be spatially pointed at. It further means that God’s substance (you don’t have to call it matter) is of finite extent (see above) and also a composite because it comprises distinct elements that aren’t identical to each other or the whole — ex: you believe God’s face, 2 hands, and feet aren’t identical and also spatially extended and you must further hold that God’s face/hands/feet cannot spatially overlap either; you further believe God’s bottom edge with boundary at creation is different from His top which has a boundary (hadd) only known to God and these don’t overlap either. A spatially extended entity with 3 dimensions that are finitely extended comprised of different edges and constituents (face, hands, feet, top edge, bottom edge) that cannot overlap spatially IS a body!
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@ViolentBoiling_ @Brook_Potter This isn’t equivalent to that of Palestines genocide today, women and children weren’t being slaughtered
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@HarounKanj @muslimorthodoxy he brought narrations what are you on about also imam ahmed and all his students affirmed hadd and ishaq ibn rahwayh and alot of hanbalis like abu yala and ibn al zaghouni and ibn hamed
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@incon1807 @Brook_Potter It’s a good thing when you do it but it’s genocide when the hebrews do it?
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Imagine trying to clear your shubuhat from someone that
1) doesn’t mind hanging out with blasphemers against our beloved RasulAllah ﷺ and will have food with them and will be smiles while dissing other Muslim brothers
2) that doesn’t mind falling into an excessive level of tajsim when describing Allah Azzawajal
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This is incredibly embarrassing. We need to wake up and realize who we are platforming.
I use my platform to call towards truth in the fields I’m most knowledgeable in.
I’m almost considering picking up the Bible and learning how to do their job myself… I don’t see another option.
John1125@John112512
@JaiNDoC_RL Jake's inboxes are full of...Muslims doubting Islam due to GodLogic. Sounds like all the "DogLogic is low-tier" comments are nothing but cope, and deep down they're having internal struggles over him.
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@adam17129 @hashimiyy_ Let’s differentiate da’wah from polemics lol, and we really shouldn’t talk about what TikTok Taymis use when it comes to using swear words, to the point Christians are baffled hearing the words coming out of their mouths
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@hashimiyy_ @incon1807 These “TikTok” Taymis have been the forefront of Dawah for years now. If you Ash’aris can do better then start giving da’wah. You’re like the old uncles who talk smack who aren’t even in a position to do so. I swear you people are irritating.
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“We can abandon the Law of Excluded Middle if we posit an idol with an extra dimension”
Where are these sophists coming from?
Why are we speaking about The Creator like this?
“Do not follow what you have no ˹sure˺ knowledge of. Indeed, all will be called to account for ˹their˺ hearing, sight, and intellect.”
[Qur’ān 17:36]
Analytical Taymi@AnalyticalTaymi
@muslimorthodoxy No contradiction unless the interocular assumes God is a 3D being. A being beyond the 3rd dimension can preform 2 operations at the same time, descending or not descending.
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@hashimiyy_ This isn’t even a crazy statement to them, they can claim much worse about Allah with a straight face
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@hashimiyy_ I’m guessing that this dude is a TikTok Taymi, what do I mean by this? They’re known for their sophistry and bad adab
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@binthawa22 @Champ4gneP4ki Not a Wahhabi but instruments used there and dancing is completely prohibited, and I haven’t even taken amusement into account
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@Champ4gneP4ki Sufi songs are seen as blasphemous by these wahhabis often
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He’s talking about Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan btw 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
عبده@AbdullahZ23895
@Mehdi_IR_DC I hope bro repented before he passed. Many of his songs were blasphemous.
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@Yahya562924 Why is it that Salafis tend to always misrepresent the Ash’ari position a lot?
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Asha'irah have no argument against Christians vis-á-vis the injustice of atonement, considering they have no problem with believing in an unjust Lord.
ameerah al-ashari@asharimaliki_x1
@qayyimtaqleed So?
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@hashimiyy_ At Khaybar, according to Shi’i sources.. Sayyiduna ‘Ali sliced the space time continuum 😳
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At Khaybar, the Prophet ﷺ gave Sayyidunā ʿAlī ibn Abī Ṭālib رضي الله عنه the banner and said:
“I will certainly give this standard to a man through whose hands Allah will grant victory; a man who loves Allah and His Messenger, and whom Allah and His Messenger love.”
[Saḥīḥ Muslim 2406]
Sayyidunā ʿAlī رضي الله عنه was then sent forward, and Allah ﷻ granted victory through his hands.
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@Nishank04215073 @KashmiriHanbali Yes Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal Rahimahullah isnt from the Atba’ al Tabi’een
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@KashmiriHanbali 1. By Salaf do you mean the 3 generations?
2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal was not from the Atba' Al Tabeen, right?
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Moment of Truth!
My Twenty Favourite Scholars After the Salaf:
• Ibn al-Mundhir — d. 318 AH
• Abu Jaʿfar al-Tahawi — d. 321 AH
• Abu Bakr al-Jassas — d. 370 AH
• Ibn Hazm — d. 456 AH
• Ibn Abdul Barr — d. 463 AH
• al-Juwayni — d. 478 AH
• al-Ghazali — d. 505 AH
Ibn ʿAbd Allāh al-Hāshimī@hashimiyy_
@KashmiriHanbali Let’s get your list
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I am not assuming the worst in her brother, may Allah bless her for her work in the Da’wah, much more than what I could do.
But when you actually see the video, the imbecile logic ends up calling the sister “Habibti” we need to have honour when giving da’wah, it isn’t worth it, if someone calls a sister that.
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@incon1807 @Yutuber740851Yu @HarounKanj Brother, why are you assuming the worst in her?
She could be a lay person and not know much about this stuff and gets along with her day by just praying etc.
She is doing well refuting the Paulinians and their falsehood.
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What's the bet this 'Ukhti' & 'Akhi' Da'es also "strictly follow the Quran & Sunna according to the understanding of the Salaf?"
The Salaf would have flogged us for this type of behaviour.
May Allah rectify our state.
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@incon1807 @HarounKanj No she literally said schools of islam😂
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@Yutuber740851Yu @HarounKanj Schools of Islam? Schools of thought or theology? It’s a very vague answer lol
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@incon1807 @HarounKanj She never said it outright, even when asked she said she "respects all muslim schools of islam", not a very salafi answer!
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