Dave Dorrell

@Petersbrooking @FiddyCalibre @Halcruttenden Ah bless, he's gone ad hominem - by the rules of the internet I thereby declare us the winners of the argument. Huzzah !

@FiddyCalibre @infoholicuk @Halcruttenden He is Robert Kennedy Jr one of the great liars and propagandists in the US government. If you believe what he says, I have a bridge to sell you.

This lie is gaining so much currency. And it’s bullshit.

@Petersbrooking @FiddyCalibre @Halcruttenden The podcast at the top is a discussion between two Americans...is their context not important ?

@FiddyCalibre @infoholicuk @Halcruttenden I don't give a shit what Americans say. Again - fannies, pants, crisps, rubbers and suspenders have entered the conversation. If you're American, that's fine. But if you're British, then you know it's bullshit.

@Petersbrooking @FiddyCalibre @Halcruttenden It's an American talking about the UK. And they don't recognise your nitpicking. Detention by the state is detention by the state. And the UK is a massive outlier, and possibly only the Aussies and Canadians are more crazy than we are at this point, albeit in different areas.

@FiddyCalibre @infoholicuk @Halcruttenden But he's talking about Britain so whatever his definition might be, it's bullshit. It's what what I want jail to mean. It's what it literally means. Because funnily enough, to quote David Bowie, this is not America.

@FiddyCalibre @Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden Don't confuse him. He's having enough trouble as it is. Remember, you can't be in custody or incarcerated unless you've been convicted and sentenced.

@Petersbrooking @infoholicuk @Halcruttenden It’s because you want jail to mean being sentenced to a HM prison service establishment. That isn’t what it means. You’re misunderstanding the basics of language. Remember, RFK is American. Jail is definitely police custody.

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden Yes. That's exactly the same. What a fantastic comparison. Congratulations, you win.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden Just out of interest, if I find myself in a pub lock-in, is that incarceration as well in your world?

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden And you're trying to say it doesn't count if you get arrested and detained and dragged through the courts for months if not years and eventually don't get a jail sentence. I'm saying the process matters.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden A prison is a fucking prison. Like a big building where people serve *prison sentences*. You are trying to redefine it to mean spending twenty minutes in a police station because, well, you're an idiot.

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden For the vast majority of the population, a police cell is indistinguishable from jail.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden The original tweet was about people going to jail. You know what a prison is, don't you? Your definition did not align with what Kennedy was saying.

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden In what practical sense is there a difference ?

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden That's not "going to jail" you complete flump.

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden I think most people would recognise my definition of incarceration ahead of yours.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden So you are defining incarceration as whatever you define it as. Incarceration is a prison sentence by anyone else's definition other than yours. And, actually, no. Unless you count spending five minutes in a police van as incarceration.

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden First paragraph. "If you’re arrested, you’ll usually be taken to a police station, held in custody in a cell and then questioned." Cus-to-dy

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden Your point?

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden When you were arrested, were you or were you not detained by the state ? Therefore you were incarcerated. This isn't difficult.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden No they do not. I was arrested many years ago. There was no custody and no charge. You're talking bullshit. There isn't the capacity to incarcerate everyone arrested. You're being ridiculous.

@Reginald484887 @tosh_fieldsend @Halcruttenden Yes it does. That's the number of people who were arrested ie detained by the state, for speech offences.

@infoholicuk @tosh_fieldsend @Halcruttenden Did you read the linked website? Because that’s not what it says at all

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden All arrests lead to custody. Charges may or may not follow.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden To paraphrase Edward Gibbon, many arrests don't lead to a charge, many charges don't lead to a conviction and many convictions don't lead to prison. So you're talking cobblers.

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden gov.uk/arrested-your-…

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden No they don't. That is simply a lie.

@DavyBaby777x @Halcruttenden All still speech offences...

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden Also from the Independent. The newspaper piece quoted a police spokesperson who added the offences include “any form of communication” such as phone calls, letters, emails and hoax calls to emergency services. independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-n…

@InigoAmethyst @Halcruttenden Arrests almost always lead to custody. It may not result in charges but it is still detention by the state IE jail.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden “Going to jail” not arrests you credulous fucking buffoon 👍🏻

@concerneddad76 @Halcruttenden They're all speech of some form

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden They are not also just social media posts are they??

@Petersbrooking @Halcruttenden Arrests almost always lead to custody of some form, so yes.

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden So all those people went to prison, did they?

@tosh_fieldsend @Halcruttenden You think the Times and the Independent make things up ?

@infoholicuk @Halcruttenden pragencyone.co.uk/blog/elon-musk…