@ashtonteng They should let you buy citizenship from a redneck, oh I'm sorry I mean "heritage American", who isn't using it except to trade food stamps for pop and pop for fentanyl.
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Jan Dupkowski
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@BadTheoloTakes @ofsaintthomas 🤣
He wasn't a *vocal* antisemite after the Dreyfus affair was settled.
But still, funny.
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@jdupkowski @ofsaintthomas Turning to the Devil, he shrugs his shoulders quizzically and says
"Mec, le complot remonte plus haut que je ne le pensais."
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List of people I believe are in heaven:
- Fr. Garrigou Lagrange
- Francisco Suarez
- Hernan Cortez
- John of Saint Thomas
- Fr. Charles-René Billuart
- Pope Leo X
- Pope Alexander VI
- Pope Benedict XIV
- John Duns Scotus
- Francis Silvestri Ferrara
- Dante Alighieri
- Cajetan
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@ofsaintthomas @BadTheoloTakes The strongest, meanest ox has no edge at a tractor pull. But unlike Garrigou-Lagrange oxen lack the malice to hop the fence and gore the tractor mechanics.
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@ofsaintthomas @BadTheoloTakes Garrigou-Lagrange doesn't bulldoze anything, and was incapable of bulldozing anything except those working in the same stultified system. History shows he certainly didn't bulldoze (Congar's) communion ecclesiology, which is now the Church's.
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@ofsaintthomas @BadTheoloTakes It's a pity Garrigou-Lagrange's Alzheimers kicked in before de Lubac and Congar became the doctors of the Church. The humiliation would have been good for his soul. One hopes he repented in the end.
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@ofsaintthomas @BadTheoloTakes Not a modernist in that list. Typical for a Pétain supporter, Garrigou-Lagrange was a cowardly mediocrity who resorted to the effeminate tactic of using petty power and slander to silence those who'd best him in debate.
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@BadTheoloTakes @ofsaintthomas Garrigou-Lagrange did the same, mutatis mutandis, to Chenu and de Lubac, in the latter case conspiring to arrange things to stay just informal enough that he'd never be able to answer the accusation
Not a model of heroic virtue, nor even an ordinarily good man. Kyrie eleison.
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@ofsaintthomas The Pius XII era archives revealed that Garrigou-Lagrange's actions towards Yves Congar via the CDF to be verging on malicious.
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@kylehmb1 @BadTheoloTakes Not a "modernist". You're a little too defensive. Do you make false accusations of Modernism because you do not understand Communio theology, or because you are incapable?
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@BadTheoloTakes @jdupkowski Looks like you found a modernist buddy—happy for you. Good to know people like you actually exist still
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Kyle here thinks that necessary and not necessary are the same, that desire and lack of desire are the same, and that we're morally bound to agree with him because of some D&D rules.
Kyle@kylehmb1
@BadTheoloTakes Everything you’ve said is utter nonsense and doesn’t address what I already said re Suarez. The council did not eliminate the possibility of desire or blood etc. this is utterly ridiculous. Also it’s a dogmatic definition confirmed by a pope so it’s defacto binding.
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@BadTheoloTakes @kylehmb1 That's just original sin at work. The temptation to silence one's intellectual betters to save one's own status as top dog goes back through history. Long before Garrigou-Lagrange did it to Congar, French Franciscans did it to Aquinas.
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@jdupkowski @kylehmb1 The purpose of a system is to do what it does. Two tier scrutiny: laxity for the School of Salamanca and strictness for Jansenists and Protestants. It took banning Congar and de Lubac to expose it as rotten and un-Christian.
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@BadTheoloTakes @kylehmb1 That was the effect, but don't give them so much credit--it wasn't a deliberate scheme in Pius V's day the way it was in Pius X's. But Congar was right--the whole thing needed to be nuked from orbit.
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@jdupkowski @kylehmb1 If the goal is to create an intellectual police-state, it sure does create opportunity for pearl clutching and accusation. "You're saying baptism isn't necessary! Anathema sit!" If you're right, the Council of Trent didn't, in ordinary terms.
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@BadTheoloTakes @kylehmb1 In one era, Pius, and in another, Polonius.
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@BadTheoloTakes @kylehmb1 ...but for rhetorical reasons they didn't distinguish.
You can indeed turn to Dulles for the rhetorical reasons. That sense of majesty comes in part from eliding per se and per accidens necessity. It sounds fatuous to those of us trained in analytic philosophy, because it is.
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One difficulty Christians have to deal with:
We have no written record of Jesus - at all, anywhere - until the mid-to-late first century.
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@BadTheoloTakes @kylehmb1 The Council of Trent accidentally anathematized Hugh of St. Victor, Peter Damian, Bernard of Clairvaux, and perhaps also Augustine (debatable). To quote those anathemas at each other is impious.
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@kylehmb1 Either way: it's something to take up with your spiritual director. Dead serious. This is not Christlike.
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Yeah, "we actually believe God isn't limited but you can't say it" isn't the win they you think it is and this was dead letter as soon as it was issued as the nuances here was frequently acknowledged.
This strident style was, at best (per Avery Dulles) time and culture bound.
Kyle@kylehmb1
@BadTheoloTakes @theCTwelve @tradwife29 CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.
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Read the whole thread. And don't be like Kyle.
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@kylehmb1 Suarez didn't *directly* counter it because that was not something that was done. But in Tractatus de Fide Theologica he set out an argument that savages who never heard of baptism could never the less and under certain circumstances even probably would be saved! Manuals...
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@DrShayPhD It does, but there's no accounting for what Protestants mean by "Catholicism"
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If Catholics wrote the New Testament, why doesn’t the New Testament teach Catholicism?
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POV: you’re browsing a church’s website. What is an immediate 🚩?
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