@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere 41 players ran a faster 40 than Darnell green this combine alone😭. 7 players have matched or beat Deions 40 time and Bo’s was unofficial. So like how people were lying hitting 550+ home runs. It should not be taken seriously.
Michael Jordan last 4 games 1997 Conference Finals:
35.8% FG
13.3% 3FG
46.1% TS
10 assists to 11 turnovers
Bulls went 3-1 anyway. Wow, MJ's opponents were totally really good and not turbo dogshit!!
@AllTakesUNeed@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Has anyone beat Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders or Darrell Green’s 40 times? 🤔 games change, doesn’t mean they’re better just different. Players are better shooters today but worse post players and midrange They’re allowed to carry and travel because of different rule interpretations
@AllTakesUNeed@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere 1960’s-no illegal defense or defensive 3s, highest scoring avg in league history
1990s-early 00’s-illegal defense and no def 3s, lowest scoring avg league history
2020’s-no illegal defense and def 3s, 2nd highest scoring avg in league history
But sure stick to your narrative
@AllTakesUNeed@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Based on what? opinion you pulled out of your ass? All the best athletes played baseball and tried boxing 50-100 years ago because those were the most important and popular sports, and then they weren’t anymore, that has an effect not only on the best but on avg and below too
@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Jesus you’re actully impossible to talk sports with. You’re talking all time transcendent players. If you know what a bell curve is you’d understand what I was saying. The average and below average has gotten better throughout all sports.
@AllTakesUNeed@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere False. pick the top 10 baseball players of all time the majority would’ve played most of their careers before 1970, hockey? Before 2000. Boxing? Before 1990. Things evolve over time but it’s not always linear. Any audiophile will tell you that vinyl sounds better than digital
@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere It’s also a ridiculous mindset to have to not think the NBA is getting better with time. I assume you believe other sports are advancing. With the addition of advanced analytics and sports science athletes are better now than ever across all sports.
@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Why was it more difficult when they came in I wonder? Because teams were still adjusting. Please let me know of some unskilled players that are either starting or staring. Matisse thybulle would be all def and get 25 mins in the 90’s now none
@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Ben Wallace… there are multiple all time great defenders that can make all def teams. If a 90s team was dropped into the nba they’ll let almost everyone shoot. And the ones who can shoot can’t guard. You’re being purposefully dense because you’re holding onto nostalgia
@AllTakesUNeed@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere And Jokic and Luka said the nba is the easiest place to score, LeBron and KD both said it was harder to score when they came in the league. Your argument was that you have to be “skilled” yet plenty of non skilled players not only playing but starting and starring
@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Off of defense… I said there are hardly 1D players. What about Dennis Rodman, can’t score… yet made a lot of all NBA teams. Jordan himself said his career would be different if he played without illegal defense.
@AllTakesUNeed@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Again Rudy Gobert has made 4 all nba teams in this era and cant shoot outside of his own shadow. No one in their right mind thinks it’s harder to score bow with all these empty lanes, floppers, and half the teams tanking
@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere And if you could observe data and critically think. Zone was allow d and ushered in the slowest and lowest scoring era ever. Then as time continued on players had to adapt to score under these circumstances, leading to more skilled players. There are hardly any 1D players anymore
@MythNix The 92 Croatian team had 3 NBA players including an all star, go look at the rosters of the teams LBJ lost to in 2004 and get back to me, even the 2024 teams weren’t stacked like he was and he needed Steph to bail him out
Jordan gets huge credit for his 2 Olympic medals…and he didn’t even play well.
The 1984 win was meaningless. The USA was 63-1 in the Olympics prior to 1984, and the hardest opponent didn’t even show up.
He was awful in the 1992. 1-11 vs Puerto Rico (vs 5 Barea’s)!
🤔
@AllTakesUNeed@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq… yep all trash 🙄 I mean yeah Gobert, Hartenstein, Mitch Robinson are super skilled in this era 🙄😂 Scoring is way up since they went to this “zone” you claim exists everywhere and two of the most unathletic players ever are dominating the game
@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere Bigs were only there to clog the lanes sometimes because of how trash most bigs were during that time.
And I’m sorry but what made it harder to score? Before Giannis won a championship the best way to stop him was to wall up and zone him. That couldn’t be done in the 90s
@MythNix If…you’re really telling me a guy who couldn’t even make an all defense team (ever) should hold a prime LBJ to 17ppg?!? Terry and Reggie played a different eras with different paces and points scored so the comparison is ridiculous. Jason Kidd was 127th in PER in 2011
MJ fans seem to believe all Finals situations are exactly equal.
Lebron has a worse record in Finals simply he played the best teams. BY FAR.
He had more games against teams 2 standard deviations above average (8+ SRS) than the rest of the all time top players COMBINED.
@MythNix Oh wow 4 whole articles, it was a 6 game series not 4, and the vote was unanimous. Also: Kyrie saved LeFraud from another collapse cleveland.com/livingston/201…
Jeff Samuels of the Philadelphia Daily News wrote a mid-season update in 1996 that upends some narratives.
He lists “stars on the decline.” MJ still had 3 more playoff series vs them.
Pippen is a top 4 player (WHAT?!?)
Shaq “won’t do” more than dunks
Mourning: Not “elite”
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@jus7110@cunctum@weeeeeeeeeezo@iamking3232@ShxdowMoonFr@BarryOnHere When did I say you can’t double? Doubling is a man principle.
Let me put it this way. If there is a cross screen action and both bigs clear to weak side after a ball screen and go to 5 out in the 90s, there is no help under the basket. That is not how it is in today’s NBA
@MythNix Comical, he was never FMVP caliber in any finals, MJ always about doubled him in game score (which accounts for everything not just scoring) including that one
@jus7110 PER is just points.
Pippen was snubbed in 1991 because of the migraine game. He played at a Hall of Fame level in the playoffs.
He was all NBA in 1998. And was FMVP through four games and a 3-1 lead in the 1998 Finals.
@MythNix Kidd not top 25 by any metric, avg 8(!) pts that season, Terry career bench player who never should’ve outplayed or even played even with LBJ, Bosh was top 15 in Win Shares that season had been top 4 in PER the year before, Marion never made an all defense team his entire career