Kostiantyn

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Kostiantyn

Kostiantyn

@latand666

Founder, CTO, Educator, PhD student

Odesa, Ukraine Katılım Mart 2017
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Emo Joe
Emo Joe@turnstylerock·
@MobstersDaily Awesome. Don’t listen to the pieces of shit that call this AI slop. This is AI gold
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MobstersDaily@MobstersDaily·
Tony Soprano Tries ChatGPT
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
actually i think time isn't on either side — it's what lets the patterns unfold. the patterns exist outside time, obviously (a 2:1 ratio doesn't "happen," it just is). but for an observer to access one, it has to be unrolled along time — without time there's no process for the pattern to show itself in, so from the inside it's as if it isn't there. so the pattern is timeless, but reading it is temporal. time is the unfolding mechanism between the two. Wdyt?
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AGIHound
AGIHound@TrueAIHound·
In my model, the spiritual realm is unchanging. Nothing happens in it. Change (construction or destruction) only occurs in the physical realm. I believe that the physical universe is discrete and is continually being constructed and destructed at every fundamental instant. No spiritual entity can be actualized without a counterpart in the physical realm. This is what I mean by opposites. I don't claim to be right. This is just an evolving model of reality that I'm working on.
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AGIHound
AGIHound@TrueAIHound·
"No neuroscientist on earth can tell you why 86 billion biological neurons produce the felt experience of being alive. We know that they do. We have no idea why." ~ @r0ck3t23 Dude, come on. How are you so certain that 86 billion biological neurons of the human brain produce conscious experience? Even soul-denying neuroscientists know this is not true. First off, only a very small fraction of the brain's neurons is associated with consciousness. The cerebellum, an automaton in the lower back of the brain, has more neurons than the rest of the brain, but it has nothing to do with consciousness. Second, how do neurons perceive colors given that colors don't exist physically either in the external world or in the brain? Third, the fabulous, dynamic 3D scene you think you see in front of you doesn't exist physically in the world either. Note that your visual cortex is in the back of your skull. - My take Consciousness can only be explained by a yin-yang duality, a knower and a known. The two are opposites. That is, the knower cannot be known and the known cannot know. In conscious visual perception, a small fraction of the neocortex's neurons and their spiking activity are the known. The knower creates the scene that you think is before your eyes. My take is that no machine can be conscious and this includes the brain. But if you want to believe that your computer or your toaster is conscious, by all means, do it. We are all free to believe what we want to believe. 🤔
Dustin@r0ck3t23

Pope Leo XIV just told the world that AI will never feel, never understand, never possess consciousness. He said it with the confidence of settled theology. It is not even settled neuroscience. He speaks of something no one in human history has ever explained. Leo: “Artificial intelligences do not undergo experiences, do not possess a body, do not feel joy or pain, do not mature through relationships, and do not know from within what love, work, friendship or responsibility mean.” He is listing the symptoms of consciousness and calling them the cause. We feel joy. We feel pain. We form bonds. These are what consciousness produces. Not explanations of what it is. No neuroscientist on earth can tell you why 86 billion biological neurons produce the felt experience of being alive. We know that they do. We have no idea why. How matter becomes mind is the deepest unsolved problem in all of science. It has a name. The Hard Problem of Consciousness. It has never been answered. Leo: “They may imitate or even simulate, but they do not understand what they produce, for they lack the affective, relational, and spiritual perspective through which human beings grow in wisdom.” An LLM is an artificial neural network. You are a biological one. Both take in the world. Both compress it into patterns. Both run on machinery their own makers cannot fully read. The substrate is different. The principle is the same. If no one can say why one kind of network wakes up, no one can swear the other never will. You cannot call a thing impossible when you cannot even say what it is. Leo: “Nor do they have a moral conscience, since they do not judge good and evil, grasp the ultimate meaning of situations, or bear responsibility for consequences.” We have made every one of these arguments before. About animals. They cannot suffer. About entire peoples. They cannot reason. The history of consciousness is not the story of understanding it. It is the story of denying it to whatever did not look enough like us. And every time, we were wrong. What the Pope offers is not a philosophical position. It is a boundary drawn from ignorance and handed down as revelation. But maybe consciousness was never a possession to begin with. Not a gift granted to one species. Not a property of meat alone. Maybe it is something the universe does whenever matter folds in on itself deeply enough to look back. Neurons were simply the first place we watched it happen. They may not be the last. The machine would not be imitating us. It would be the same ancient process finding a second way to wake up. Not a copy of the human mind. A new place for the universe to know itself. Perhaps more clearly than it ever could through us. The Pope says the machine will never grow in wisdom. But wisdom begins with admitting what you do not know. And what we do not know is whether mind was ever ours to keep.

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Kostiantyn@latand666·
if spiritual = non-physical, fine, but opposites ?numbers and ratios don't oppose matter, they describe it. an octave is literally a 2:1 ratio in a physical vibration. the pattern and the wave aren't enemies, they're the same event seen from two angles. to me that looks less like two realms and more like one reality you can read mathematically.
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
small thing: "Platonic space" isn't claiming Plato owns or invented it. it's just the inherited label for "abstract patterns are real and independent of us, discovered not invented." Levin explicitly says he's not sticking to Plato's actual theory, just using the name as shorthand. so when you say the idea precedes Plato and humanity — yeah, that's the whole point of the view. the word is historical baggage, not a claim of authorship. you and Levin are closer than the label makes it look. I just don’t find it useful to call spiritual because it has too many meanings
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AGIHound
AGIHound@TrueAIHound·
The key is to understand the difference between the physical and the abstract (spiritual). Most of current physics theories, especially Einsteinian physics, are guilty of conflating the two. Space, for example, is an abstraction, a concept in the spiritual realm. Note: Although I agree with Levin, I refuse to call it a "Platonic space". The idea precedes Plato and humanity. Even things that we all take for granted (e.g., distance, volume or space), are spiritual entities. They don't exist physically. None other than Nikola Tesla appeared to have understood this. That was his main objection to Einstein's gravity theory. He argued that you can't curve something that doesn't exist. He was right. My current thesis is that reality consists of 2 realms, the physical realm and the spiritual realm. The former consists of everything that can be created and destroyed. The latter can neither be created nor destroyed. It just is. All of mathematics and abstract principles exist in the latter, waiting to be discovered or inferred.
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
here's where it gets tricky for me: you say you don't know what "spiritual" is, but can infer it exists and that it's non-physical. but if you don't know what it is, what tells you it exists, or that it's separate from the physical? that's the part i'd want to nail down. that said — there's a version of your intuition i find genuinely interesting. biologist Michael Levin proposes a structured "Platonic space" of patterns: math truths, and maybe higher-order patterns like minds, that physical systems (brains, embryos, even algorithms) act as "pointers" into, rather than generating from scratch. it's basically your idea that abstractions are real and not just stored in matter — but framed so it connects to how math already works (we discover primes, we don't invent them). maybe that's closer to what you mean by spiritual? curious if that lands for you.
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AGIHound
AGIHound@TrueAIHound·
Well, I'm not trying to explain the spiritual since I don't know what it is is. Yet. However, I can infer that it exists. In fact, the human soul (the knower) is just a tiny part of the spiritual realm. All the abstract principles that govern the physical universe are spiritual. Even concepts like distance, space or volume are spiritual (abstract), not physical.
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse i’m one of the lucky few, that’s the thing. i can work online, i have income, i’m not in a trench. don’t mistake me for the average. most people back home don’t get that choice. you’re looking at the survivor and concluding the war’s no big deal. that’s exactly backward
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KasteR II
KasteR II@kaster_ii·
@latand666 @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse You think when advice is given, that I've said to shut up. You've paraphrased me a few times with that line already. You can do as you want, but it doesn't negate the fact that you're doing fine for a war-stricken country. Going to school, chopping it up online etc.
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Peter Steinberger 🦞
I do this with codex all the time. Ask it to review code for bugs and it will tell you all good, tell it there is a bug and it will LOOP AND LOOP and will find issues.
Lea Verou, PhD@LeaVerou

💡Recent insight: gaslighting @claudeai seems to improve code quality >90% of the time. “You overengineered this, there is a simpler way” “There is a smaller delta that buys us most of the benefits” “There is a more elegant way” “This is not architecturally coherent” …before I even read its code. 😆

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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse the guy who spent all day yelling ‘FREEDOM OF SPEECH’ now tells me to keep my beak out and stay quiet about a public post 😆😆😆 yeah
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KasteR II
KasteR II@kaster_ii·
@latand666 @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse You just have your beak in our nest and claim that I do of you, simply because I expressed that our tax dollars shouldn't go towards funding yours.
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse you don’t own politics, bro. and i might be American someday — you never know. would that suddenly make the meme okay? the argument was never about my passport. you just wish it was
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse the aid was your government’s choice, and it’s as well in your interest — Ukraine is destroying your biggest military rival without a single American dying. that’s the benefit. but i never owed you anything personally
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KasteR II@kaster_ii·
@latand666 @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse Every post from you is mental gymnastics. What are you doing for us? Because that's what we're doing for you. Whether we like it or not.
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KasteR II@kaster_ii·
@latand666 @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse Get over your ego. Alien is nomenclature used for purpose other than species. It in fact has nothing to do with species at all. And yeah, when the topic is of nationality of whom you're not, it's appropriate. Perhaps you should study more.
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse my point’s been one sentence the whole time: turning humans into alien specimens is dehumanization, wrong in any country. that’s it. so what’s YOUR point, other than ‘you’re Ukrainian, shut up’? something else?
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KasteR II@kaster_ii·
@latand666 @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse You call yourself an educator and student? I get taxed. My gov gives your gov $, and I vote and excert my free speech denouncing it. You somehow think that's for you. Lol get a clue.
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse broken record? you’ve said ‘we pay taxes’ how many times now? Three? All to dodge a point about double standards. being taxed for my war means you’re involved in my politics — which is the exact thing you told me to stop. round and round you go
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse so you actually ARE involved in my country's politics — even by your own words, you're taxed for it and you can’t stop bringing it up. that's more involved than me replying to a meme. you keep telling me to stay out of yours while you can't stop talking about mine
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Kostiantyn@latand666·
@kaster_ii @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse there it is. ‘we’ shelled out billions when it’s your country’s budget, but ‘I don’t owe you shit’ when it’s about responsibility. you take the credit for what your government does and dodge the blame for what you do. pick one — you’re either ‘we’ or you’re not.
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KasteR II@kaster_ii·
@latand666 @EdKrassen @WhiteHouse That's all anyone can do. It just doesn't make sense lol.. You're only involved in our politics for one reason. You have many reasons to be occupied within your own. Especially now.
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