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Patriarch Methodius III of Constantinople on inherited guilt and the immaculate conception.

@philoponus12 @Jordanbellofort @PrimaryMetaphys Lent

@latiniser @Jordanbellofort @PrimaryMetaphys im jsp cuz I knew your fatass would respond sergius, blue check mark ain't nothing!😂😂😂

If you're confessing the faith as the most blessed St. Augustine did, and you're Orthodox, sorry to tell you but going "Genuine Orthodox" will not work for you. They do not care about St. Augustine, their father is Romanides.

@philoponus12 @Jordanbellofort @PrimaryMetaphys

@Jordanbellofort @latiniser @PrimaryMetaphys It's mid

@Kastomere @Hleowstede It is crazy how people think St. Augustine taught we inherit personal guilt.

@Hleowstede It's not even that, it's just a total unwillingness to reckon with the reasonable position that haphazard translation to a people who is yet unformed by the faith will ultimately cripple that people. This is what happened with latin and people STILL misread St Augustine today!

I am this close to swearing myself to learning Greek and Hebrew and every Orthodox language because you people throwing translated quotes around without context or certainty of what words like "wrath" even MEAN is maddening

@d_bahler @ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea Absolutely!

@latiniser @ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea A maxim we should all live by is that we don't know what we don't know.

Pray ror these subversives

No formal training but I've been studying Russian and Slavonic for a while and Orthodoxy in general for the greater part of 4 years with a lot of frequent contact with ROCOR & MP Clergy! I would be very happy if you could read the translation compared to the russian (which I can send both) and let me know if there's any errors!

@latiniser @ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea It's very relevant We have a preponderance for example of bad translations of Greek texts. Just because you translated a Russian text doesn't mean it's a good translation. It night be a fantastic transition. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

@d_bahler @ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea How’s that relevant to accurately translating a Russian text?

@latiniser @ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea What is your education and training in Orthodox dogmatics and theology?

@d_bahler @ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea I translated it myself, but I did proof text it with Gemini to see if I made any errors, and it’s quite accurate. My speaking for russian is not as good as my reading and writing.

@latiniser @ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea Translated yourself, or did you use machine translation and AI assisted translation? Do you speak fluent Russian?

@ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea This is what Fr. Alexei Burgov also says in his book on orthodox dogmatic teaching on original sin which I translated into english if you’d like to give it a read.

And I would like to mention that the reformed authors, and protestant divines in general are quite clear that they do not believe in the inheritance of a “personal guilt” or guilt of actualized will, as seen by Johann Gerhard and Chemnitz. They’re often quite clear that it is a guilt of liability, in which it is not the product of the act of the very person (us) but a non-juridical form of guilt with its own definition.

@ergelgru @HosannaHosannaa @Nicholai_Korea Patriarch Jeremias II: “We agree with you, we are guilty of original sin.” You: “Well, no”

@Nicholai_Korea you can add this to your library of dumb out of context proof-texts from these people For those who can't read - the Patriarch is clearly using his response to explain our understanding and methods of baptism and christmation, which they know the writers from Augsburg do not follow. (this is their first set of correspondance, the Patriarch is trying to be consolational, but make the points of error clear, especially the ones he continually revisits - trinitarian doctrine, ecclesiology, the sacraments and their ministration) Its also not clear if there is anything obviously "wrong" with Article II of Augsburg for them to respond to, its only 2 sentences long and quite general And this the problem - it takes actual labor and reading to refute these stupid memes, thus the deception and twisting of doctrine spreads. Honestly Im not even sure what point was being made here by posting this one?

@mattjhedges11 Till jansen walks in.

Luis de Molina criticizes Augustine on predestination:  “This view, however — both on account of its novelty at that time, and also because Augustine did not add that it was nevertheless not without foreknowledge of what would occur by the freedom of created will from the hypothesis that it would be placed in this or that order of things with these or those aids and occasions, and that such future use was taken into consideration in predestining and reprobating Angels and men (though Augustine did not deny this, he did not however express it) — at that time greatly troubled not a few of the faithful…I suspect that Augustine and St. Thomas (who followed in Augustine's footsteps) by their own intention aimed principally at only that first point which we gladly embrace along with the more common opinion of the Scholastics; and that they did not notice how much for removing that other harshness which they by no means intended, the addition they neither denied nor would have denied if consulted about it would have contributed — namely, that predestination and reprobation were nonetheless not without foreknowledge of the quality of the use of free will, with consideration of it taken in the manner explained and to be explained more fully in what follows. Meanwhile, however, while under that quasi-darkness St. Augustine did not attend to this — judging at first sight that it was connected with his opinion on predestination that God did not will all men universally to be saved but only the predestined.” (Luis de Molina, Concordia, Q. 23, art. 4 & 5, §6)

@blessedmikko sergius pill

To living bishops until they contradict me.* Furthermore, since when did we worship the God of the dead?

@ahansemann12 @IacobRuthenicus Yes

@latiniser @IacobRuthenicus Is that the guy who was formerly a Muslim and would go to speakers corner?

Holy smokes fellow Latin(izer)s what happened on here while I was gone

@IacobRuthenicus some dude who converted like 1.5 years ago, became a figure in the latiniser sphere, just left for schism last month

@latiniser Who is that

@IacobRuthenicus Ananda - Old Calendarist (deceives a few people to go with him)

@latiniser Ok

@IacobRuthenicus I cease to explain

@latiniser Who What

@OrthoAugustine @HankRenter Yes, but he was never consecrated as a Metropolitan. There was only one time I'm aware of that anyone in Novgorod had the rank of Metropolitan and it involved being an exarchate.

@latiniser @HankRenter Also he literally presided the Synod after Yavorsky died.

Metropolitan Theophan (Prokopovich) of Novgorod saying that Sola Scripture is the principle of both theology and Church tradition.

@OrthoAugustine @HankRenter He was the Archbishop of Novgorod, never Metropolitan of Moscow.

@HankRenter Ofc quoting the head of the Holy Synod of Moscow is being insane.