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@Melkshakeboi @KajitaniEizan @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama You're correct in that nothing from the screenshots posted by OP would solve whether or not Ren consented during the incidents that took place. These screenshots are not concrete evidence, and can only be used to further speculate- Not confirm

@leatrocks @KajitaniEizan @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Ok man now you're literally being nitpicky. According to your logic nothing can be solved because nobody has absolute and concrete evidence about anything. If she wasn't cool with it, what was stopping her from replying so in a safe online space where he couldn't reach her?

like im skimming over the doc n stuff correct me if im wrong but is this not deniable proof of consent? i dont know how you can really blame zeal for assuming that she wanted to be intimate when she says stuff like this to him? obviously if im wrong just correct me

@KajitaniEizan @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Imagining scenarios and picking the more likely possibility is still not "undeniable proof" as OP is claiming. I dunno what to tell you, man. Youre going in circles

@leatrocks @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Yes, but again, which scenario is more likely: 1. She consented during the act, then later when asked if it was cool, she said yes 2. She didn't consent during the act, then later when asked if it was cool, she said yes

@KajitaniEizan @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Again, let me reiterate this. There is no proof that she consented during the acts. Asking if someone was cool with it does not mean consent was given

@leatrocks @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Yes, there actually are, because he later asks if she was cool with it and she said she was

@KajitaniEizan @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama The first few words of your sentence are all there really is to this conversation. There is quite literally no screenshots that suggest she consented during the act

@leatrocks @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Yes, it's not in itself proof of consent, but you will find that to be impossible to ever have either way unless they are literally filming themselves in the act What it is, is proof that she, before and after, wanted sexual contact

@whereisspide @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama There is no true way of knowing how you or anyone would respond to sexual trauma, because you cannot pick the situation in which it happens, and who the person is. Sometimes it's someone you love, and not just a stranger.

@whereisspide @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Focusing on the second part of your comment, I understand that perspective. But every victim responds to trauma differently. And quite frankly, using a hypothetical situation to downplay a victim and how they may respond to being SA'ed is an odd take.

@KajitaniEizan @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama There is no proof of lack of, or giving consent with the screenshot- that is the consensus. I am not making an argument that she is or isn't. The OP is using a screenshot that isn't consent to prove she gave consent; possibilities are not "undeniable consent."

@leatrocks @HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama Where is the proof of lack of consent What you don't seem to understand is that people need to try to figure out which of several possibilities is more likely The possibility where she didn't consent but talked very enthusiastically about it before and after is not believable

@KajitaniEizan @VENNtxt @hexalunga @KozuTheKama Why are we making up scenarios when neither of them is suggesting that this was the case? Let's go back to the original storyline of both documents. We could make up what-if situations all day, and it would mean nothing.

@VENNtxt @hexalunga @leatrocks @KozuTheKama This is just a minefield though Imagine she is enthusiastically consenting before and after, but mid thrust she wants to stop but is "nonverbal and overwhelmed" and thus is "coerced" into continuing to consent, and thus this is SA Meanwhile the guy has literally no idea

@PendulumTribute @KozuTheKama I'm not proving anything. I'm stating that it's not a form of consent, and cannot be used to prove she consented during those acts.

@leatrocks @KozuTheKama That is literally worse dawg what are you trying to prove 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@HelplessPupet @KozuTheKama And I agree- but that's not the topic we're discussing. The screenshot of Ren saying she enjoyed it is not proof of consent, and cannot be used as consent

@leatrocks @KozuTheKama you can't revoke consent after you have sex, you can regret it sure, but you can't revoke it after. That's not how consent works

@hexalunga @VENNtxt @KozuTheKama If someone says no multiple times, over the course of you guys being intimate. And your reaction causes them to retract their statement countless times, saying yes, that is a form of pressure, that is not a yes. Whether you believe that detail of the story is up to you

@hexalunga @VENNtxt @KozuTheKama The only true 'proof of evidence' that we can safely rely on is the fact that both of their stories line up almost exactly. And the reason I am choosing to focus on this specific detail is that it's the most important one.

@hexalunga @VENNtxt @KozuTheKama I've seen victims turn into their abusers, become hypersexual, turn into criminals, regress into children, all in the form of trauma. Why does any of this happen? Because no brain reacts the same to traumatic events. It's not logical, but it happens nonetheless

@leatrocks @VENNtxt @KozuTheKama its not evidence of consent youre right about that, my point is that if theres days weeks maybe a month of planning, then loving that they had sex AFTER the alleged assault, why would ren be so happy about being raped? we need the people ren spoke to about having sex with zeal

@hexalunga @VENNtxt @KozuTheKama But that is not evidence of consent, or that either of them planned to have those sexual exchanges. And again, even if this were the case. They're still both acknowledging that a dubious act happened. However, he's exclaiming it wasn't clear enough. Not that she never said no.

@leatrocks @VENNtxt @KozuTheKama there was a LOT of mutual agreement prior to the incident, them being in love is the point of meeting up alone in a hotel at rdc, most screenshots in rens doc show them being lovey before rdc

@hexalunga @VENNtxt @KozuTheKama There was no mutual agreement prior to the initial incident; she met with him to talk about what happened when she was fired. And even if this did happen, consent can be withdrawn. Which, when the event occurred, both parties acknowledged that "no" was said to some degree.

@VENNtxt @leatrocks @KozuTheKama there was a very clear mutual agreement to be freaky in that hotel, every single sign shows proof of it being okay and every piece of physical proof before after and the night of shows both parties very happy, theres be a much clearer sign within messages if this was sa

@hexalunga @KozuTheKama That's not necessarily true. Coercion can be things such as: Guilt tripping, Asking continuously, Getting upset, Showing signs of aggression. If you have to make someone change their mind to get consent, that isn't consent

@leatrocks @KozuTheKama zeal didnt force anything to happen, even both sides show how complicit he was with a no, being coerced implies theres no way to safely say no to someone but zeal wasnt being aggresive, didnt have a weapon, and stopped doing things as soon as asked

@hexalunga @KozuTheKama If I was Zeal, I wouldn't have continued after hearing no/stop/it hurts. Especially if they change their mind after seeing my reaction. Even if I was to play into his narrative that he took it as a joke, after a second time, I would have never continued.

@hexalunga @KozuTheKama From my perspective, it's clear from both documents that the events did occur; the key main difference between the documents is that Zeal believes Ren consented, and only retracted her consent months. Whereas Ren states that she was coerced into saying yes. Not equaling consent