the berdly academic

Here you go everybody. My *checks* 53(?) page google doc on Berdly, Berdly, and everything Berdly. Mostly. I don't think there's anything I forgot, but do let me know if there is. (1/4) docs.google.com/document/d/1HG…

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera Yes, because we the player have the inside knowledge she doesnt. Whether she makes the choice is up to her, but it would show significant growth if she does try to understand him Also, Tenna literally tried to kill them all because of HIS fear? and she still made up with him

@lebonkulus @MizzixMizzixera Also, like, you've made it abundantly clear what choice you think would be the moral one for her to make

A lot of Berdly fans want him to unironically be the male power fantasy his arc in chapter 2 exists to deconstruct and critique.

@pump_upthejam_ goat.

I need a new animal for my fursona what animal do u guys think I am

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera she is not in the wrong for not interacting with someone she dislikes. nor is she responsible for him. it is a CHOICE she could make that i believe ALIGNS with her character thus far

@lebonkulus @MizzixMizzixera Because the specific ways he is annoying overlap with misogyny and lesbophobia and the kind of narrative you are describing would frame the lesbian who does not want to deal with that horseshit as more in the wrong because she has a Personal Responsibility toward him.

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera Susie realizes that she became happier and less abrasive by accepting Kris’s friendship —-> leading her to realize that by maybe reaching out, Berdly will also do so

@lebonkulus @MizzixMizzixera It doesn't go against either of their actions to not want to associate with an obnoxious creep.

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera Why not 😭 Annoying teenage boy who misunderstands social cues and is alienated is a universal thing. An arc about how one could overcome that is extremely valuable

@lebonkulus @MizzixMizzixera Not in this case it doesn't

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera Susie’s actions that directly go against Kris and Ralsei’s prior, basically identical actions

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera I really didnt take Berdly’s speculative sexuality and gender into that original statement. All I cared about was his character and Susie’s actions

@MizzixMizzixera this!! all of this!

@lebonkulus Nevermind the fact that berdly might potentially be queer himself sob. At the end of the day this is toby fox, if the dude can't even write irredeemable villains, you'll have a hard time convincing me he would make a teenager boy side character of all things irredeemable lol

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera And the intended commentary just as often transcends the identities of the characters

@lebonkulus @MizzixMizzixera Sorry this may shock you but the identities of the characters does in fact change the context of what their stories communicate sometimes.

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera It’s not just lesbians. It’s everyone. It’s a commentary on how exclusion affects people and how trying to understand someone can be the bridge people need to change. Like. Susie.

@lebonkulus @MizzixMizzixera I don't want the story to bend over backwards to tell lesbians we have to Literally Be Niceys to obnoxious creeps because we're responsible for their actions as people.

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera nobody is demonizing deltarune for that? berdly has a compelling place in the story regardless of his sexuality?

@MizzixMizzixera @lebonkulus I can enjoy character development and storytelling i just hate it when cishet men are prioritized so much in media other works are demonized for not doing the same

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera No, he got an arc and backstory with animated cutscene, that was then mostly reverted by the “it was all a dream” thing.

@MizzixMizzixera @lebonkulus He got about as much depth as was advertised and is necessary.

@MizzixMizzixera @TheepicFrancis You don’t have to like him by any means but that doesnt mean you should shun his place in the story?

@MizzixMizzixera @TheepicFrancis And, what, you don’t want a supposedly bigoted character to grow beyond their hypothetical bigotry?

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera Whether she wants him as a friend or not is her choice. Whether or not she tells him about how he bothers her, and gives him context as to why she’s dumping him, thats her choice too

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera That would be her call. She and him obviously have a ton of history and not all of it is negative

@TheepicFrancis I’m not necessarily trying to say he is? I’m trying to say that much of how he acts is projection

@lebonkulus He's still not the victim lmao

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera You shouldnt keep people around who are completely unable or unwilling to change. But berdly is both willing and able.

@TheepicFrancis @MizzixMizzixera No, by that I mean “actually tell him how he makes me feel uncomfortable and bothers me in public” I’m not saying she should just TAKE it. If he keeps acting the way he does after she informs him, she should absolutely dump his ass as a friend