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GIRL COVER UP OMGGGG

@forg3dz Yes because that's what BPD does, Ren is not the one who comitted a crime here

@lightofttruth We cant excuse his autism but people do the same excusing rens BPD, showing constant miscommunication of how she felt in a situation that she enjoyed afterwards. both have conditions

BPD women and adjacents will never be free because you all will continue to blame them for EVERYTHING and then run to coo over an autistic man who committed a crime

@forg3dz That's true but its also not right excusing his autism. I have autism as well and I'm younger than him, It's impossible for him not to have learned about consent at any point in his 21 years of living

@lightofttruth Considering his possible autism (thing that most people are saying he has, idk the source of this assumption) He couldve mostly guessed there was consent during the intercourse given that Ren started kissing him and interacting after he was comforting her

HEY GUYS! THIS DOC WAS MADE BY ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO SPREAD RUMORS ABOUT REN BEFORE THE EXPOSURE DOC WAS RELEASED ABOUT ZEAL!!! THIS PERSON WAS ASSOCIATED WITH KAT, ONE OF THE DEVS WHO FREQUENTLY HARASSED AND SILENCED REN!

@forg3dz Right! But if its your first time having sex, You always need to ask. Specifics can be pushed aside later when you've done this more than once.

@lightofttruth Thats true but most if not every sexual intercourse doesnt start with the partner asking “Do i have the consent to have to touch you”. And things during intercourse escalate, first comes the cuddling, the kissing and then it escalates more. It isnt something instantaneous

@forg3dz Whether Ren gave consent afterwards is debatable but what matters most is that Zeal started this without asking Ren verbally for consent. All he got from her was a request about kissing before he escalated things. That's what matters the most.

@lightofttruth Both sides of this conflict are terribly wrong due to the miscommunication dude

@forg3dz that's true, a lot of victims of assault especially when it comes to partners try to view the experience as best as possible though. It's usually why the realization only hits after a couple of days-months

@lightofttruth 2nd shows excitement of her regarding the intercourse right after the events

@forg3dz Didn't notice the date, but wouldn't that continue to support my point that they haven't talked about it prior before?

@lightofttruth Yes but this was right after the intercourse tho, if it was implied cuddling and comforting each other Zeal wouldnt be talking about getting proper rest tho

@forg3dz my mistake Zeal claims he did not tell Ren to kill herself in his video

@forg3dz 7m20 I believe

@forg3dz 1st screenshot doesn't mean anything sexual, it could just be nomarl bfgf cuddling or comforting eachother as what happened, 2nd screenshot ren implies it that they've never talked about this before and that its all been fantasy up until that point

@lightofttruth Nah she actually did

@forg3dz She didn't give green flags, she was silent during the assault and then panicked once Zeal made the notion that he'll break up with her. She just focused on pleasing him as best she could at that point

@lightofttruth Theres a shit ton of missing points on both documents, but i cant ignore the fact that Ren herself gave a shit ton of green flags to Zeal.

@forg3dz Do you know about Fawning and the overlapping and often boosted symptoms with BPD?

@lightofttruth Fawning is when you please someone in order to not get hurt, i dont think this happens here by what ive read

@forg3dz Zeal's video he talked about how he was sorry that he told her to khs and that he shouldn't have done that, I do remember there being a small section in Ren's document for it though it's mostly agreed between both that it was an emotional outburst on zeals part

@lightofttruth Also when was it shown that he asked her to commit?

@forg3dz I do agree their communication between eachother wasn't the best and that they weren't fit to be in a relationship (mostly with eachother). It was Zeal afterall who seeked out Ren after blocking her to get together though with the intent of a physical relationship

@lightofttruth Not blaming Ren, both are at fault here, Zeal couldve done better in a situation like that, he just feels so dry and unresponsive during conversations. Both sides have a lot of contradictions going on

@forg3dz It's definitely fawning! Considering there's a strong arguement for Zeal having been Ren's FP and the already unhealthy pre-existing attachment

@lightofttruth I dont think the term fawning fits in this occasion since she also begun with the interactions, even inviting him into meeting up in RDC

@forg3dz I don't think you can blame Ren when she's clearly having an Episode, Nevermind the fact he told her to kill herself after that iirc. You also can't gatekeep your partners social life and who they confide in, They're allowed to tell others about their relationship

@lightofttruth I dont think he left her cuz of the sexual intercourse, i think he left her because of the things she did afterwards:

@forg3dz While that falls under fawning, Even if she "liked" it afterwards what happened to her was still assault. You can't for example, When someone beat you up but as a repercussion you get money from them, Would you say "oh im glad i got beat up!" End justifies the means sort of way?

@lightofttruth Ren was complimenting Zeal after the events and calming him down since he thought he didnt have a great performance during it, she also implied (in this doc) that she liked the hickies she got from Zeal consensually

@forg3dz Because they were Romantic Partners. There is no possible way for anyone to get "evidence" of Ren consenting to Sex (You don't talk about that sort of thing on discord) We have her testimony that she did not consent to wanting Sex and that she was entirely nonverbal at the time

@lightofttruth I showed you a picture of them talking about "gooning material" before the events at RDC, doesnt necessarily implie that they were planning to have SEX but its not something that you talk to someone in a casual manner

@forg3dz still fearful of Zeal leaving her. It's clear Zeal felt guilty after this, He knows what he did was bad otherwise Ren wouldn't have had to reassure him this excesseviley afterwards.

@forg3dz Thank you for sending these over but these are all still from after the assault, Consent can be revoked at anytime but Ren never consented to the two of them having sex. Ren said herself that she only properly processed these things afterwards and how it looks like to me she was