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@limitless_point

DPhil Student @UniOfOxford. DL Theory, RL, Causality, etc

England Katılım Ağustos 2022
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@adammichaelwood @QiaochuYuan He started writing at 13, and had some acclaimed poems at 15. Can you think of child math prodigy who genuinely produced some of the best work in their era when they were ≤16? Usually it's accessible combinatorics style problems, not field defining stuff like Galois (he was 20+)
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@AstroMikeMerri @LucaAmb As a grad student I only submit ~one a year But the field rewards publishing lots of mid quality than few high quality ones. People react to incentives so it's a structural issue. There's no simple fix to that, and arxiv will just introduce a caste system to ML research instead
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Michael Merrifield@AstroMikeMerri·
Wow, so much whining about arXiv’s steps to reduce AI slop. So easy to deal with for authors who actually read their own papers before submitting them.
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λux@novasarc01·
really loving this new blackboard-style explanation format in dwarkesh’s podcast!
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Dwarkesh Patel@dwarkesh_sp

New blackboard lecture w @ericjang11 He walks through how to build AlphaGo from scratch, but with modern AI tools. Sometimes you understand the future better by stepping backward. AlphaGo is still the cleanest worked example of the primitives of intelligence: search, learning from experience, and self-play. You have to go back to 2017 to get insight into how the more general AIs of the future might learn. Once he explained how AlphaGo works, it gave us the context to have a discussion about how RL works in LLMs and how it could work better – naive policy gradient RL has to figure out which of the 100k+ tokens in your trajectory actually got you the right answer, while AlphaGo’s MCTS suggests a strictly better action every single move, giving you a training target that sidesteps the credit assignment problem. The way humans learn is surely closer to the second. Eric also kickstarted an Autoresearch loop on his project. And it was very interesting to discuss which parts of AI research LLMs can already automate pretty well (implementing and running experiments, optimizing hyperparameters) and which they still struggle with (choosing the right question to investigate next, escaping research dead ends). Informative to all the recent discussion about when we should expect an intelligence explosion, and what it would look like from the inside. Timestamps: 0:00:00 – Basics of Go 0:08:06 – Monte Carlo Tree Search 0:31:53 – What the neural network does 1:00:22 – Self-play 1:25:27 – Alternative RL approaches 1:45:36 – Why doesn’t MCTS work for LLMs 2:00:58 – Off-policy training 2:11:51 – RL is even more information inefficient than you thought 2:22:05 – Automated AI researchers

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Sidd@nolightupstairs·
I'm imagining a Harvard Econ professor realizing the kid in his front who asks terrible questions every lecture isn't actually a student.
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@babisgrad @DataDrivenEm0 @nolightupstairs Is it crazy that I don't want random people to come in and harass the students or professor? I'm happy to let people audit classes but there needs to be some kind of record for who was there in the class. It can't be like a public park, there has to be at minimum a sign up form
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@AstroMikeMerri @LucaAmb Then you are better than the most successful researcher in our field, congrats x.com/i/status/19793… Seriously though, no one who pushes 20+ papers (many successful researchers) is actually going to read through every line+ citation. They'll just be excluded from consequence
Michael Saxon@m2saxon

The viral new "Definition of AGI" paper has fake citations which do not exist. And it specifically TELLS you to read them! Proof: different articles present at the specified journal/volume/page number, and their titles exist nowhere on any searchable repository.

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Michael Merrifield
Michael Merrifield@AstroMikeMerri·
@LucaAmb That’s why I always take the time to actually read all the papers to which my name has been appended.
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@Quasilocal I put it on your other reply. He is the most cited or one of the most cited people in the ML field I believe
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Steve McCormick@Quasilocal·
@limitless_point Got a link to the paper though, I'd love to publicly shame it 😬 Fwiw I've never heard of this person, so fame is relative. But I do think they'd go through with it if he does it again because otherwise they lose a lot of credibility
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Steve McCormick@Quasilocal·
I can't help notice a pattern the bios of those who oppose vs. support arXiv's new policy on submitting AI slop
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@Quasilocal Here's the paper with the hallucinations if you were looking for the actual paper on arxiv with his name x.com/i/status/19793… Some time later one of the coauthors apologised and fixed the issue. No bans or consequences though obviously
Michael Saxon@m2saxon

The viral new "Definition of AGI" paper has fake citations which do not exist. And it specifically TELLS you to read them! Proof: different articles present at the specified journal/volume/page number, and their titles exist nowhere on any searchable repository.

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Steve McCormick@Quasilocal·
@limitless_point If that's true, he should be banned from posting to arXiv. I think that's pretty reasonable. What's the example?
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@babisgrad @DataDrivenEm0 @nolightupstairs That is to say, you don't really care about open education in any way and you won't address the measures I proposed, you just joined this thread to dunk on me under the perceived notion I was an American lul
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@babisgrad @DataDrivenEm0 @nolightupstairs Also, unauthorised people are usually trying to come to famous/high demand university lectures like in Harvard. These will obviously be more filled up and hardest to get seats in compared to public universities in Mexico where courses are abandoned half way in the semester
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@AstroMikeMerri The problem isn't in the principle, it's in the obviously unfair way the implementation will be when the first big academic lab has some AI slop in their arxiv and they get a free pass x.com/i/status/20553…
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@Quasilocal It's obviously fine in principle but the reality is that it will be used in an unfair way. Bengio had a paper with hallucinated citations a few months ago & if there's another one like that I will bet you a million dollars he won't get banned from arxiv, but less famous ppl will

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peepeepoopoo@DeepDishEnjoyer·
the tpot white blood cells are here
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@DataDrivenEm0 @babisgrad @nolightupstairs I would support opening auditing classes properly to any non enrolled students given space constraints, but just walking in unannounced is crazy rude to me. What if more people want to attend than there were seats?
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@DataDrivenEm0 @babisgrad @nolightupstairs My argument is that they don't need to be physically open now because videos and material being put online facilitates what matters about the education to be widely spread to millions, and you can only fit so many non enrolled students in one lecture hall.
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@Quasilocal It might be a bit hard to consider the second order negative effects of a policy that's ostensibly good on paper, but there are many many many examples of these in real life even government level policies
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@Quasilocal It's obviously fine in principle but the reality is that it will be used in an unfair way. Bengio had a paper with hallucinated citations a few months ago & if there's another one like that I will bet you a million dollars he won't get banned from arxiv, but less famous ppl will
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@babisgrad @DataDrivenEm0 @nolightupstairs Many class lectures are available online these days anyways. Notice these are usually American universities doing this, who have consequently done way more for open education than Mexico or anywhere else. I learnt a lot of things from Stanford lectures from an ocean away
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@babisgrad @DataDrivenEm0 @nolightupstairs I've never set foot in America before in my life. Public access to education means anyone can enrol if they're serious, not that anyone can come in to the lecture hall to harass the professor and students if they wanted to
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Ayu@limitless_point·
@DataDrivenEm0 @LegoKoon @nolightupstairs Basically every single interior room in the maths department of Warwick university is inaccessible without a keycard. Similarly for where I am in Oxford with the CS and stats departments, and everywhere else in the UK I've visited. What's unfathomable about keeping faculty safe?
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