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You know, this is a bad look for Chloe stans.

@BeastofOrem @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 Um... Zoe and Chloe have different fighting styles? Duh. Hell, Queen Bee mainly takes after Ladybug with how often she cosplayed her then idol while Zoe got the Bee Miraculous not too long after arriving in Paris. Though a New Yorker would be a natural hero.

@matt0044 @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 He reacted so hard he threw out the been Chloe as the bee holder as well as all the abilities that come with it. Tell me, how often do you see Zoe use the top outside of venom? She doesn’t, because Chloe established it could be on par with ladybug’s yo-yo, with the added…

El hecho de que esté señor mayor piense lo contrario es algo patético y al mismo tiempo un poco ignorante

@BeastofOrem @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 Hell, even if they are retcons, a retcon isn't always negative. Goku and Piccolo originally weren't aliens but their biology was expanded upon to create two alien species Anime fans know by heart.

@matt0044 @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 Do you? Because making changes to ladybugs continuity is pretty common in the show.

@BeastofOrem @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 Changes or developments that expand on what had been previously established?

@JuanJua71158023 @Rosy45267685 Dude, critique Astruc's writing all you want but making fanfiction about hims IRL family is crossing a line. You wanna be better than him? This is not the way.

@Rosy45267685 Gracias a Dios no tiene hijos, imaginate que tenga uno y cuando diga una grosería el Thomas lo bote a la calle pq ahora es malo y no puede cambiar xd

Dude, critique Astruc's writing all you want but making fanfiction about hims IRL family is crossing a line. You wanna be better than him? This is not the way.

@Thomas_Astruc Me da la impresión que escribiste a Sabrina en el capitulo QOTD como aquellas personas que anhelaban que Chloé fuera buena persona, como manteniendo esa pequeña esperanza. Me pareció triste y tierno a la vez. Habiendo recibido bullying yo, me sentí algo identificada con ella 🥲

@BeastofOrem @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 It wasn't retcon. It was just a path the character took you disagreed with.

@matt0044 @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 People saw that if Chloe had positive role models, her behavior could change, and Ladybug was that role model for her, and she was becoming less aggressive and more cooperative, until season 3 and Austric making her revert via retconning her character development.

@BeastofOrem @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 Do you even know what retcon means?

@matt0044 @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 ...her boastrous, self important tone to the soft spoken one, it was not an act, she is not smart or charismatic enough to pull that off, and people could tell. Austric retconned that later, but we know this wasn't something he had planned on happening, which is why he is...

@BeastofOrem @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 He didn't hate that Chloe was popular or write accordingly of any sort. More that people were dogging on him, which in today's fandom climate, I am inclined to sympathize with.

@matt0044 @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 ...so reactive to the fan base liking Chloe and went nuclear on her in the next few seasons. He didn't want Chloe to gain popularity, but she did, because in a story that stuck to status quo, Chloe's character development was a oasis in a desert that people saw.

If you saw the episode, you'd see that Chloe was letting Lila take the lead since, despite her not admitting it, Ms. Rossi has proven herself with her talent for mass manipulation.

@BeastofOrem @darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 Chloe had power. By proxy of her father, yes, but she knew the leverage she held.

@darkXwolf17_twt @Rosy45267685 He basically pretends Chloe wasn’t in the position of power, it was her father. And he painted the man breaking laws to spoil her as a good man. Chloe is terrible, but it is because everyone responsible for her are feeding the fire and exploiting her.

@ibytamarta @NashiroAysel The cliche, "Bad habits die hard," ring a bell?

@matt0044 @NashiroAysel maybe because that development doesn't make any sense

#MLBSS6SPOILERS as a chloe fan since the beginning of the series, the hate towards her is really valid but I'm still so sad her character can't be redeemed bc back when I was a victim of bullying, she gave me hope people can change and stop being evil if they want it

@HiuMnh13 I mean, I think Season 5 did well with Caline Bustier learning the hard way that not all she teaches will reach everyone. I always saw Chloe as digging in her heels and basically crashing out before Lila and Gabriel gave her the key to Paris itself, letting her run the show.

…Dang it, I gotta get this out of my chest so here is my Ted Talk: Personally, my problem with Chloe's character direction is that the show does not seem interested in examining her pain beyond surface level. It’s not about Chloe stays mean or fails to fully change.

They chose to turn themselves around. Helped in part by that they realized that the Supreme had been using them, hiding knowledge of Gimmi and even sealing such means of subverting his rule.

@redsycat He doesn't hate Chloe. The worst I could say is that he maybe likes her too much as a villainess.

Está muy empeñado en insistir que el resto del mundo no entiende a su personaje cuando en realidad le está dando una escritura incoherente y pésima porque le tiene un odio raro a una niña de 14 años, no es culpa del mundo que no sepa escribir 😭

En pensant à ce pseudo-drama je me rends compte qu'il résonne de fou avec mon expérience de nombreuses années dans un couple avec des abus psychologiques. Le "ChloeRedemptionGate" est aussi probablement une confusion assez forte entre ce qui serait juste pour le personnage (à leurs yeux, sur les sujets abuse & co) et ce qu'il est logique qu'il arrive à ce personnage. Le monde est pas joli, et encore, Miraculous arrive à être trèèèèèès positif sur beaucoup d'aspects, et c'est cool. Du coup bah, ouais, peut-être que d'un point de vue moral Chloé "mérite" une rédemption, ou qu'on aimerait qu'elle en ait une (je parle même pas narrativement où il me semble sain d'avoir des irredeemables ou des parcours "tragiques") mais juste le monde est pas foutu comme ça. Des abusés deviennent abuseurs, pire que leurs modèles, c'est même plus la règle que l'exception. Et c'est sain de le voir. Et c'est le PUTAIN de sujet pour Sabrina en plus - give up l'impression que l'autre peut être une fraction de ce qu'on aimerait qu'il soit et voir que ce n'est pas une question de savoir si l'autre peut changer ou non (peut-être un jour qui sait ?) mais de savoir se mettre soi-même en sécurité. Et c'est ce qu'il se passe dans un couple toxique/abusif, en fait. Tu t'accroches aux étincelles de positivité chez l'autre. A ce que tu crois pouvoir être le futur si il/elle change. A ce que tu vois et que les autres non. Ce serait d'ailleurs jamais difficile de quitter ces situations si c'était l'enfer permanent, il faut avoir de l'amour et de l'espoir pour que ça marche. Et ce serait plus "juste" pour le monde et pour la personne et pour soi si elle avait sa rédemption. Mais elle l'a pas et c'est le truc à réussir à graver en soi pour partir. On se doit suffisamment de respect à soi pour rejeter, partir et aller de l'avant. Comme Sabrina ici qui est le centre névralgique de cet épisode (et dont on croirait au début qu'elle va être akumatisé, ptêt un plan B de Lila, bref). Je pensais pas dans ma vie de trentenaire faire un parallèle entre Miraculous et ma vie perso, but here we are :)

@ibytamarta @NashiroAysel I wasn't anger at any character. He just developed her in a way that wasn't widely liked.

@NashiroAysel I've heard of it and I'm still so mad he scrapped it. I genuinely questioned his writing ever since because I didn't see a single reason for that except for his weird anger towards a character HE wrote, that's still a child at that

@Thomas_Astruc Je suis assez d'accord avec ça et j'irais même jusqu'à dire que certains fans pensent avoir le pouvoir d'influencer le show dans leur direction. (on a déjà pu observer des cas de pressions de la part de commu sur d'autres œuvres et ça a marché dans certains cas ).