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Reposting to flex and replace pinned tweet; here’s my @RevLeftRadio episode
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MLMinPractice ☝️🥷🇵🇸
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MLMinPractice ☝️🥷🇵🇸
@mlminpractice
kānaka, Hawaiian Lion 💪 Astro-Maoism Ph.D 🌌🔭💫, Eco-Third Worldist, spy for the Filipino ND movement, Free West Papua, alt: @mlmintheory
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@Biyombonesaw In their own translations they have used them both pretty much interchangeably throughout most of their history until pretty recently
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My dad has been talking my ear off about how he’s China pilled and “the CCP propaganda is working on me”
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@girlmanboywoman It’s because he likes novel tech stuff and the vibes
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@specieswife Basically, we need understand them as historical figures who wrote documents that need to be interpreted, not textbook writers giving us material to be studied for like we’re preparing for an exam we need to get the right answers to.
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@specieswife And yes, you can find here or there a specific definition they may give that contradicts that in some way, but how they define things in one instance vs how they actually write about them throughout their lives, and what that shows about their worldview, are distinct things.
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Maoists: “and this star is for the national bourgeoisie :) I LOVE CLASS COLLABORATION!!”
Also Maoists: “teachers are not proletarians and thus must be fought against”
Marx:
MLMinPractice ☝️🥷🇵🇸@mlminpractice
This discourse is driving me insane, Lenin and Mao absolutely considered academia & the intelligentsia to be of the petty bourgeois and a bunch of people on here are acting like it’s completely out of left field for an ML to say the same
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@PinguTeer @RichardCovetous Ok again, as I need to keep repeating, whether you yourself or I myself agree is a different discussion. I didn’t mention Marx in my post for a reason. The point I am making is about the ideas these people held and expressed in their writings, not how correct they were to do so.
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This discourse is driving me insane, Lenin and Mao absolutely considered academia & the intelligentsia to be of the petty bourgeois and a bunch of people on here are acting like it’s completely out of left field for an ML to say the same
carl beijer@_carlbeijer
Huge number of "communists" on this site would've absolutely hated Marx, Lenin, and Mao
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@PinguTeer @RichardCovetous His use of the term in left wing communism was specifically for those who *were* revolutionary intellectuals!
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@mlminpractice @RichardCovetous A "Marxist academic" who doesn't uphold the capital mode of production and who does not own any means of production would necessarily be excluded from Lenin's critique.
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@PinguTeer @RichardCovetous He says “declassed and *consequently* throughly petty bourgeois”
He also uses the term “petty bourgeois intellectuals” in earlier writings going at least as far back as 1904
To your last, that’s why I’m suggesting his class distinctions were not so simply about “ownership”
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@mlminpractice @RichardCovetous Lenin used this in the most twitter-larp book 'left-wing communism'
But "declassed petty bourgeois" inherently means they aren't petty bourgeois and this lines up with his earlier critique in 1916 that they are "lackeys of capital." It wasn't a function of means ownership.
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@filavandre_l How am I revising Marx? I haven’t even mentioned him.
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@Pvmfee He in fact repeatedly did, all throughout left wing communism, and less explicitly but still throughout earlier writings.
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@fertile_trotsky I would personally agree that they have increasingly proletarianized, however as to what Lenin himself said, he qualified them as “declassed, therefore petty bourgeois” in left wing communism.
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@mlminpractice The intelligentsia are not a class, since they aren't characterized by their own specific relationship to the means of production. However, as capitalism develops, their political positions are largely influenced by their social positions (e.g., closer to the proletariat)
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@medianachotw Well, clearly the person responding to the post cared otherwise they wouldn’t have name dropped them as examples, hence my whole point.
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@mlminpractice If they did, then they were just as stupidly wrong as this guy lmfao who gives a fuck what they thought?
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@mlminpractice i think the issue is more his prescription of "drop out and try to salt a factory"
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@RichardCovetous @PinguTeer Lenin and many of his contemporary communists seemed to have use the term “declassed petty bourgeois intellectuals/intelligentsia” to refer more or less to everyone who made their living through the “working of ideas” and academia
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@mlminpractice @PinguTeer Is it? I'm not convinced of that without specifics - although idk what an intelligensia even *means* in this era. I can't think of a living person who I'd place in that category, maybe I see it as more exclusive than it needs to be idk?
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@PinguTeer Specifically, in fact, he does so to critique the revolutionaries among them! He was not speaking of those who outright defend capitalism, he was as often critiquing the shortcomings of the petty bourgeois intellectuals who *were* supporters of socialism and revolution.
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@PinguTeer All throughout left wing communism Lenin is most explicit about them being “declassed, therefore petty bourgeois” and in earlier writings makes less direct but still prolific references to the petty bourgeois intelligentsia as distinct from the working class
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@RichardCovetous @PinguTeer I don’t think the “historical context” argument holds up very well. Whenever a reason is given for why the intelligentsia are proletarian, it’s not one that applies to the 20th century but not to today, it’s always a justification that would theoretically apply back then, too.
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@PinguTeer @mlminpractice Idk could it be the nature of mid 20th century occupations in China were in fact different to early 21st century occupations?
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“But have you considered that killing people made him feel like a man?” Alright man
Ryan Grim@ryangrim
Think about it though. The appeal to a boy’s sense of adventure is central to the recruitment. Teddy Roosevelt, Davey Crockett, Rambo, these are all cultural touch stones for boys. The understandable complaint about Platner is that he kept going back. My point is that it takes a very long time to unlearn all this stuff and by the time you do, it’s all you know. And yes, he’s gonna use the tropes of freedom and such against his political opponents, but that doesn’t mean he’s defending the occupations of Iraq or Afghanistan. He’s been very clear he believes they were wrong.
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