Motha

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@R2K2GG 4K biweekly 😭

4k bw. 16k monthly. 3000$ every month for LB. 1500 paid by creator. 14500 left from their total pay. I mean tbf a case site was asking me of 75000$ for total comps 3k with a 2000 monthly split 50/50 so 2k for 75000 and asking 67000 for 14500 I think best scenario for site is to end the partnership. Just my opinion

Since I like to be transparent, I have a question for all creators out there: Let's say you get a deal with a $4,000 biweekly wd cap and a $1,500 biweekly lb, with 50/50 funding The site needs roughly $67,000 in wagers just to break even, but after half of the deal, you're only bring about 0.1x conversion Would you think it's fair if the fills were reduced, or how would you want something like this to be handled? srs question

@R2K2GG Nah 67k for 2 weeks, cuz it’s a 2 weeks deal

@motha Aw hell u talkin bout 67k a week? $268k a month on a newer case site hmmmm prob wouldn’t see the results into week 5-6

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@mmeluhdy Yeah, i thought about putting a 0.1-0.2x requirement for the first week / half of the deal. Should be easily doable for the right creators

If after the math you do, the deal is negative, I think it's more than fair to reduce the deal to what makes sense with the current stats they brought in. I would also say full potential, at least for me, usually takes a month to fully migrate code users to the website. But yes, you are completely right to reduce the fill/deal if the stats aren't good, and especially if it's 0.1x tlike what you said.

@udkm93 what conversion % is realistic in the first week in your opinion?

@motha 2 weeks trial on a new site is short and hard to convert. If the numbers are there somewhere you eat it up once and see if it improves. Otherwise yeah a reduction is fair.. should allow people the alloted time though. 1 week is not a long time atall on case sites tbh

@shaN_dooo and how would u handle as example leaderboards? if the site has to cut ur deal after one week cuz there was no conversion, would u wanna cancel the lb and get ur 50% refunded or keep it running?

Hard to tell without more context, but yes, that sounds horrid deal to wager ratio. Even mid trial, proposing adjusted terms is fair play. It’s up to the creator to accept/decline. No, you’re not a douchebag for proposing it as long as you speak sense backed by transparency and are ready to eat the cost for the agreed deal regardless of the outcome.

@bonyerc @225FNs @OneEyedGregg who?

@motha @225FNs @OneEyedGregg his a scammer

I agree. Most creators take more than two weeks to show their real value, but in my opinion, if there's not even a 0.1x conversion after the first week, I don't see it changing much over the next one or two weeks, yk? But yeah, that's something I've noticed as well. Creators who partner with multiple case sites, usually 5+, tend to perform differently than creators who only work with one or two sites. It also really depends on the niche of the case site

Real ones would rather not withdraw than reduce the deal. Those with real audience also need time to convert, more than 2 weeks/trial. That’s how you spot them. Issue comes with poors promoting multiple sites and offering personal bonuses that are not sustainable in an effort to inflate their stats. You end up basically funding his “players” deposit on other sites while you see 0 conversions. Suggesting a reduction in this case is fair, but if the creator rejects you should eat the cost until minimum agreed time. Eat the cost and walk away with a lesson. It could be worse, you could be break even or slightly under ROI during trial, just to extend the deal into a longer period to get milked. The leaderboard meta has to end 😮‍💨

@craaze even if u do it as nice as possible most creators will still go in rage mode ngl

You can always suggest something to a creator like that. And you can always say in your onboarding (If we don't see any results near what we need, we have to change the deal) I don't think there is a problem at all with changes as long as the communication is nice and not "Yeah, we have to drop you" (Had that with a site, lmao).

@225FNs @OneEyedGregg slot sites have a dif edge / hold so they also have a dif wager multiplier. 150k wager on a case site is way more valueable as 150k wager on a slot site

@OneEyedGregg @motha Extremely low considering shuffled dropped me and I had over 150k they stated they was looking for 500k monthly to maintain unless it’s a case site 67k is relatively small

@ionlywynn if everyone would see it like this the whole scene would have less problems ngl

@motha Simply if he does not bring value lower the deal it’s a business both sides needs to be happy with the deal I would understand a change of the deal since i didn’t bring in the numbers I supposed too 🫡

@StronkJw nah u 100% right, but imo a 50% conversion at the end of the deal can be expected

@motha You’re also paying for potential growth imo, i think its fair that you don’t want to lose too much on a sponsorship but you can’t expect perfect results on the first 2 weeks or month.

@RobZnCS I mean, both sides want to make their $, yk? At the end of the day, it’s a business. But most people would never look at things that fairly. Respect to you for having that mindset

I know, its fucked & i gues si might be the only one acting like that 💀 Guess im the worst businessman in this gamba creator scene, i have not cashed tenthousands altough i could have as a good relationship, reputation and worst case even parting ways on a positive note is worth significantly more to me than exeeding a wd limit altough your not converting at all.

@OneEyedGregg hahaha i would say 90% of the creator see it different

@motha Ahhh ok ,Well that deal is insane for 67k wagered lol any other site would drop them immediately. They are essentially useless

@OneEyedGregg nah we do our math with around 7% edge: $67,000 × 0.07 = $4,690

@motha Am I mathing right is your house edge 14 percent ?

I agree with most of the points, but it's easier said than done. Most creators will still cash out their maximum WD cap while having little to no conversion, then crash out if you have to step in because it's just not sustainable imo it's always best to find a middle ground that both parties are happy with, but that's pretty hard nowadays😂

I was in a similar situation, not that bad but site was not happy with my performance altough i didnt really cash out even close to my cap. We found a solution on getting the deal adjusted so that it fits for päboth partys & kept going. I think as a creator you should be mutally interested in finding a proper solution in such a situation. Respect should be brought to the table from both sides & i cringe soooooo badly every time i see a creator cry about getting dropped / a deal not extended & flaming the site when they are not bringing in the stats they should and are to entiteled to accept to that they need to do a step forward aswell lol. Maybe from a straight bsuoness perspective this is a stupid take but i wouldnt even want to cashout ANYTHING besides the LB pay if i dont see any stats. Behaviour like this is beeing spread anyways and in the long run you wont get any deaös anymore anyways imo. I think we a lot of streamers, no matter the size need to get humbeled a little bit again, communication & common sense is key in this to succeed longterm imo. Saw so many new streamers rise & fall during my 2.5 years in this scene ...

@OneEyedGregg math wise its the amount needed to roughly break even on a $4750 spent

@motha That seems way too low 67k wagered in 2 weeks is nothing at all.

@OneEyedGregg 67k wagered in 2 weeks

@motha So your math on it needing 67k wagered is a day a week a month what because it’s not making sense unless your house edge is absolutely insane. 67k is so low

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